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This is a bit of a controversial subject and is kind of a hot topic on the Internet. Unfortunately, there are plenty of flame wars going on and people arguing the points of their opinions. I would like to get some opinions or input from our lovely community. Essentially, I want to know what you think about game exclusives?

The main focal point of this thought of discussion is because there are games that developers have made exclusive deals with the new Epic Games Store. This means that a game may only be sold on that platform. I think this usually applies for only a period of time. For instance, I’m interested in a new game called Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey. Unfortunately (in my opinion), this is an EGS exclusive for a year and then it will be available on Steam. This isn’t the first, nor the last EGS exclusive. Another game, for instance, that will receive similar treatment is Borderlands 3.

I read some discussion in the forums on Steam, especially since EGS does not have forums. EGS also doesn’t have reviews, either. There are pretty much two sides to this issue. While I find myself on one side, I can actually agree with many points people on both sides have brought up.

I think ultimately, in the end, my opinion is that these exclusive deals suck, but if I really want a game, I’ll probably buy it where ever. However, Steam is pretty much the dominant digital game platform. Most of my games are in my Steam library. This pretty much means that I’ve grown used to Steam so much that I have a strong preference for having my games on Steam instead of another platform like EGS or any of the others that exist, which are still plentiful. In this, I think it’s mostly a matter of preference. Steam has features that other platforms are missing such as forums and reviews as I’ve already mentioned. My Steam friends list is relatively small, I think, but I still like being connected to those friends in one place. I also like to use the Steam web browser when I’m in game and want to look something up on the Internet. This is very useful for efficiency, quickness, and those games that will crash with an Alt-Tab. Steam also has achievements and I like to get them.

I understand we live in a free market economy and competition among companies is supposed to be good for us consumers. However, that doesn’t mean that we are going to be happy with the competitive or anti-competitive practices of some companies. Sure, Steam is huge and popular and I’m sure it’s incredibly hard to compete with. But, I feel like exclusive game deals mean that developers are going to miss out on some sales because many others are like me and have a strong preference to have all of our games (or most of them) on Steam. I don’t have details of what these exclusive deals mean for the developer. It seems that they might make more money because EGS takes a smaller percentage of profits than Steam. Still, I wonder how many sales are lost simply because people like me strongly prefer our games on Steam.

In a way, I pretty much give console exclusives a pass, but I think this is kind of hypocritical. Ultimately, I would love it if I could play any game I want on one platform, that would make things incredibly simple. Unfortunately, for consoles, if you want to play an exclusive game that means you have to spend a couple or few hundred dollars. This doesn’t quite make sense for playing a single game and I also don’t want to buy a console just for one game. Luckily, there are other games available for consoles and they also have additional functionality, such as Internet media (TV/Movies) streaming and web browsing.

On the other hand, PC gaming is more expensive, because you’ll want to spend more than a few hundred dollars to get a PC good enough to play the games you want, especially if those games are modern. I recently built a PC and spent a few hundreds just on some components alone, like my CPU and GPU. Although, you can do a lot more with a PC than you can a console, but consoles have grown to be more like a PC.

So, what are your thoughts on this issue of exclusive game deals such as the ones we see on EGS? Do you have a preference for which digital game platform to buy games from or will you buy games on any of them? Do you have a strong preference to Steam? Is this an overheated issue? Let me know and please try to keep comments respectful.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 09/09/2019 at 03:50am

> Essentially, I want to know what you think about game exclusives?

Phew. (Not because it's a hot topic but because it's complicated).

Ok people say they hate exclusives yet I'm not sure they do.

Nintendo historically only has released games on it's hardware. Only recently have they released games on phones sort of breaking that. With that, those aren't really good compared to games on their own hardware yet people don't flame Nintendo for this.

Sony does the same thing.

So does Microsoft on the XBox and with some Windows Store games.

I think the problem is people expect the PC to be a bastion of openess OR more accurately just want to buy all their games on Steam. So I think it's not that people want to be able to buy a game on a zillion stores on PC, just be able to buy it on Steam. It's wrapped up in the exclusivity thing because Epic is give developers money for that, but really it's just that people can't buy the games on Steam.

I'm not really sure this is even about the Epic Store having less features, which it does. I think it's just about having all your eggs in one basket, which people seem to want, which i'm not gonna argue with but I don't care as much about as I once did. A true open marketplace means you can buy from anywhere and frankly what PC games I buy are really from different places.

I got Rage 2 from the box and I play it on the Bethesda launcher. It's not Steam awesome but it's pretty great and I don't mind. I have the Epic store and am getting a metric shit ton of free games that way recently such as Celeste and Fez. I get buy and get free games from GOG and Humble too. I even get Steam keys from Bundles and just download the game from the Humble Store and don't download it from Steam. I play other PC games on Battle.net and have a bunch on the EA Origin client. I also play games on Cheerful Ghost like Tale of the White Wyvern which is available on PC my phone and my toaster.

So if PC players are upset about that world I described above I can understand that, but I honestly don't care as much about where a game comes from THAT SAID certain games i'd like to have in certain places and in the case of Borderlands 3 my preference would be Steam.

*Continued in following comment*

jdodson   Admin wrote on 09/09/2019 at 03:53am

That said i'm not at all upset Borderlands 3 is an Epic exclusive because by the time it comes to Steam should be a good time for me to play it. It's not as much what storefront it's on and more of a time thing (right now i'd rather work on Wyvern than play a new Borderlands game) and I'm moving back into being a patient gamer. What I mean by that is that by not buying a game at launch and waiting a bit you get it at a great price later, on the storefront you want with more DLC for way less that it was at launch. Do I miss the hype of a freshly launched game? Sure. But I can't play everything. So in a way, i'm happy Borderlands 3 is an Epic exclusive, it works for me.

And because I own like Nintendo everything I obviously don't care about exclusives and question if people really do either?

jdodson   Admin wrote on 09/09/2019 at 03:57am

> On the other hand, PC gaming is more expensive, because you’ll want to spend more than a few hundred dollars to get a PC good enough to play the games you want, especially if those games are modern. I recently built a PC and spent a few hundreds just on some components alone, like my CPU and GPU. Although, you can do a lot more with a PC than you can a console, but consoles have grown to be more like a PC.

If you can get your hands on modest hardware you can be a PC gamer for free and never run out of games to play. Fortnite, Hearthstone, Team Fortress 2, DoTA 2, League, Heroes of the Storm, Counter-Strike Go, Warframe and a ton more games are entirely free to play and lots of digital storefronts such as GOG, Humble and Epic are giving away indie games like it's Christmas.

Then if you want to buy a game you can wait for a sale and the world is your oyster.

As far as I can tell the only time you pay a high price with PC gaming is getting a game at launch and that's not a bad deal if you are really hype for the game and want to play it right away.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 09/09/2019 at 04:42am

Yeah consoles definitely have exclusives. I never really cared that much about Nintendo's exclusive games, because I've owned every one of their consoles (excluding the Switch which I will remedy soon). Back when it was the GameCube, XBox, and PS2, I actually owned each of them.Then it was difficult for me to decide which platform to play a game on. XBox kind of had an advantage with it's storage space, specs, and the fact that I could copy music to it and play it while gaming. Now, I just don't feel a desire for XBox or Playstation. I kind of dislike that there are games on those consoles that I want to play, like Red Dead Redemption 2, the new Kingdom Hearts, and FFVII: Remake, but I hope those games come to Steam. If not, well I'll miss out on them unless I buy a console, but I don't feel like missing out on them would be terrible.

I think the all eggs in one basket thing is pretty much it. There are way too many launchers, though, I think or at least I feel some what overwhelmed by them. I don't buy from Humble Bundle often, but I have and got Steam codes. I've bought from GOG, but that was also before I realized they didn't include Steam keys. I have games on Origin, Bethesda, and Uplay, too. Blizzard (Battle.net) is also included. It sucks having to install so many game launchers and creating so many accounts, but it's some what minor. Although, if you're concerned about privacy or storage space, that can be kind of understandable. You don't have to have all of them installed at the same time. I just built a new PC and put a fresh copy of Windows on my new SSD. I still only have Steam installed and only games that I think I want to play soon.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 09/09/2019 at 04:42am

I like that Epic is giving out free games, I've gotten a good number of them and haven't actually bought from EGS (yet?). Although, I'm kind of overwhelmed by the amount of free games offered by a variety of outlets, so I don't always claim every one of them. Lately, I'm just claiming the ones I'm most interested in. Like ABZU is a new free game for EGS, something I was interested in, but now don't have to pay for, because I claimed it. I do feel like eventually EGS is just going to give away their entire catalog. It will be disappointing to wait for one of their exclusives to come to Steam, buy it, and then find out EGS is giving it away for free. That would suck.

I kind of feel like a more patient gamer, too. When I play a big game, I primarily focus on that one game, until I'm done or feel ready to move on to the next one. Moving on is kind of difficult, actually, but I've started to feel like if a game is pissing me off more than letting me have fun, then it's time to move on.

I still feel a bit in the dark about new games, so there aren't too many I really want at launch, but there are some. It is good to wait and save, if you're patient. If you have plenty of other games you're really interested in playing, then that makes it much easier.

I may have more thoughts in reply or just on the subject in general, I may added to this comment section. Thanks for joining the discussion! Wow, it's so easy to go over the character limit for a comment! LOL

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 09/09/2019 at 04:49am

I would also like to note that I seriously hesitated to post this topic here, because it's so heated. I did talk to Jon and Travis about this and Jon made me feel more comfortable with posting it. I hate that there's so much negativity on the Internet. I also hate reading forums, because people who have English as their first language seem to have a very loose grasp on it, particularly with grammar and spelling. It makes me wonder how they passed English class in high school. It reminds me of a quote I once read that pretty much said you can only write well on the Internet or be angry and sadly that often seems true. I think we have a good, decent, albeit small community that either knows how to write or takes advantage of spell checker. LOL Good job and thanks for adding to this discussion. My point here was or is to see how my fellow Cheerful Ghosts feel about this topic, definitely not to start another flame war. Luckily, I have the perfect place to do exactly what I wanted. :)

Travis   Admin wrote on 09/09/2019 at 02:38pm

Jon, I think you’re missing the bad part about Epic exclusives and misrepresenting people’s problems with it, probably not intentionally.

Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft making games for their own hardware is fine. The issue with Epic is that they’re courting people with huge bags of money to be exclusive to Epic for a time, and this is often after Steam has been announced as a platform and preorders have opened. The bait and switch is the problem, and the most anti-player aspect of the whole situation.

I’m fine with having multiple launchers, and I think competition is good. I buy games from many different launchers. I will never buy anything from Epic as long as they continue this practice.

Travis   Admin wrote on 09/09/2019 at 03:04pm

By “misrepresenting” above, I mean that in all the complaints I hear from people about the Epic store, I don’t see people complaining strongly about the exclusivity part of it aside from a few, they are heavily centered on the way they get those exclusives.

Will_Ball   Game Mod   Super Member wrote on 09/09/2019 at 03:41pm

> I also hate reading forums, because people who have English as their first language seem to have a very loose grasp on it, particularly with grammar and spelling. It makes me wonder how they passed English class in high school.

This is the most offensive part. :P

I think Travis is on to something with the bait and switch. If I was promised something on one store, and then it got switched to another, I would be pretty upset. That being said, nothing is preventing you from playing the game, other than being stubborn.

Having all your eggs in one basket (or one store) is probably not the best thing. While Steam is probably never going anywhere, you never know.

I read a tweet by the Oddworld team about moving to the Epic Store and they mentioned that getting the extra money from Epic helped make a better game by infusing them with some more cash. I feel that from an indie standpoint, this probably helps out a lot of developers and would be tough to pass up.

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