I read a couple of articles recently about Windows 11. There was a project called Windows 10X. It was scrapped, but appears to have found it's way in Windows 11. The new OS features a more "modern" look with a centered task bar. I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think I'll have to see it for myself to decide.

It looks like Vista's gadgets will be making a comeback as widgets. I liked these, so I'm looking forward to possibly checking them out again.

I just found another article confirming that this is a free upgrade coming towards the end of the year. See: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-windows-11-reveal-event-every-upgrade-announced/

There are a variety of things to note, but I'm going to leave it up to you to read the article to find out what's to come. Let me know what you think, what you like or don't. Also, let me know if you're going to be an early adopter, I imagine I'll get it as soon as I can (I'm not one who hesitates upgrading to new versions of Windows, I embrace them all).

https://www.techspot.com/news/90189-microsoft-announces-windows-11-redesigned-ui-start-menu.html

jdodson   Admin wrote on 06/24/2021 at 10:22pm

Very relevant to gaming, promoted to main.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 06/24/2021 at 10:58pm

Thanks. Yeah, it is relevant to gaming. There are parts of this regarding gaming and performance, which are mentioned. Thanks for the promo. :)

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 06/25/2021 at 03:16pm

I don't know. Part if me loves technology evolving, but I'm dreading the possible compatibility issues with software at work lol

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 06/25/2021 at 11:50pm

I believe I read something in the last two or three weeks about this and it doesn't seem like it's a major overhaul, so I doubt compatibility issues are going to be a big problem. I could be wrong, though.

I found out the new system requirements. You'll need an 8th gen Intel or Ryzen 2000. The clock speed is still 1Ghz. You'll also need 4GB of RAM and 64GB of storage space. You'll also need a DirectX12 GPU and at least 720p. There are a couple of tools mentioned at the end of this article to help you figure out if your PC is compatible: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3622940/windows-11-system-hardware-requirements.html

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 06/26/2021 at 11:24pm

Compatibility issues are always a problem when it comes to Autodesk products lol. But hopefully it won't be too bad!

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 06/27/2021 at 12:03am

Hopefully! I don't have experience with Autodesk, so good luck! :) Are you going to upgrade your PC?

I certainly will, though I'm not quite too sure about the visual parts of it. I feel like having a centered task bar would be weird and take some getting used to. I am, however, very much looking forward to the DirectStorage feature and hoping I notice a performance boost. Auto HDR looks nice, but I don't have a compatible HDR monitor.

I am glad they're giving this free to those of us running Windows 10. Paying just over $100 for it was enough. I love adopting the new Windows versions, but getting them for free is quite a bonus.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 06/27/2021 at 03:31am

I’ll most likely upgrade for free but not right away.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 06/29/2021 at 04:47am

MS says with DirectStorage "games can quickly load assets to the graphics card without bogging down the CPU." So, shorter load times. But, you'll have to have the game running on an NVME SSD to work with this. Plus, you'll need a DirectX12 GPU.

The OS will require TPM 2.0. Not all motherboards have this feature, which will require users to buy a piece of hardware so they can run the OS. You can check if you have it by running the command "tpm.msc" or you can find it under Settings>System>About>BitLocker Settings. I did the latter first and it took me to the MS Store to upgrade from Home to Pro edition (which I don't plan to do). The first option worked, but told me I didn't have it. So, I probably won't be an early adopter of Windows 11.

I may have to think about this more. Things may change before it releases, so we'll see.

I found this "new to me" stuff by watching this video: "Windows 11 GAMING: 10 Things You NEED TO KNOW" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-64g8AiD00

You can find more about the TPM 2.0 requirement here: https://www.pcmag.com/news/what-is-a-tpm-and-why-do-i-need-one-for-windows-11

Travis   Admin wrote on 06/30/2021 at 02:12pm

Yeah I’ve seen some speculation that, while they said before that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows and that they’d be building on that from here on, they bumped the version because of the TPM 2.0 requirement since they can’t guarantee compatibility.

There’s also the hypothesis that they introduced the 2.0 requirement to sell more PCs and get more money from new licenses that way.

It’s all speculation of course. For technical minded folks it’s usually going to be easy to add a TPM 2 module to their older motherboard. Laptops are a whole other thing though.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 06/30/2021 at 06:33pm

Well, since I wrote that comment, I've been working on looking into these new requirements. I think I might do it. I found out my motherboard has a TPM header, but I don't know enough about the tech, so I don't know what kind of module to buy. I've sent in a question to ASRock, the manufacturer of my motherboard, to find out if they have any recommendations. I noticed the header is 17 pins, but I found at least one (ASRock actually) module that's 13. Hopefully, they'll get back to me on that, though it looked like most or all modules on Amazon were sold out.

As for NVME, I found out I could get a NVME version of my SSD for about $120. I don't think that's too bad, I guess. I need to look into that tech more, too. I thought NVME was faster, but from what I've seen of their speeds, it looks like they're the same. My SSD is attached via SATA, but I know the NVME attaches directly to the motherboard.

As for all the speculation, I haven't read any of it. It's just my assumption that they're requiring TPM 2.0 so that computers are more secure.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 06/30/2021 at 08:07pm

I haven’t really looked into the TPM but last time Microsoft wanted to bake this into Windows, at the time it was called “Trusted Computing” (not too different than TPM) the Internet flipped their shit. Now it seems, no one cares? Unless the reason now is to avoid hacking using hardware encryption and not locking you out of your shit. But I’m not sure, maybe that was what Trusted Computing was and we just over reacted.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 06/30/2021 at 09:20pm

So, I got a reply from ASRock. It's lame, because they just sent me a pic that shows TPM 2.0 specifications. At the bottom it says, "not supported with Intel 8 and 9 series chipsets." This is very disappointing. I built this PC 2 years ago. I have no idea how many people have 10th or 11th gen CPUS. I have an i7-8700 and on a separate list, I did see my CPU listed as compatible with Win11, but with this TPM info (assuming it is correct), then it isn't. It seems confusing. If all of this is true, then I most certainly hope MS gets a load of backlash for it and removes the requirement. Otherwise, I can't imagine many people upgrading. If they don't remove it, then I won't be able to upgrade unless I upgrade my motherboard and CPU, which is pretty much most definitely not going to happen. Those two items are not on my list of things I want to upgrade soon. Still, I might get a NVME just to see if there's a performance boost. Ark is still a very hardware demanding game.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 06/30/2021 at 09:49pm

Looks like I don't know much about NVME either. I have a Western Digital SSD connected via SATA III. I found an NVME exactly like it. Both have the same speeds, so I was confused. So, I went through the list of NVMEs compatible with my motherboard and learned. NVMEs are to SSDs are what SSDs are to HDDs. NVMEs are much faster and more expensive. It seems you could get a 1TB SSD (SATA) for over $100, but an NVME of 512GB is going to cost a bit more than that.

I miss the 2TB HDD I had with the Alienware, but it died. I now have the 1TB SSD and it's almost half full. I want my OS and games all on the same drive, so a 512GB NVME doesn't seem like it would be good enough, unless I got extremely serious about how much storage space I'm using. Since I now only have that 1TB, I don't keep a lot of games installed. I do have an old HDD I am using for other things like documents and other random files, including those files I've downloaded to install programs like Steam, Java, Chrome, etc.

I'll have to think on this more.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 07/01/2021 at 08:09pm

The more I read, the worse it looks to me. I just read an article (shared below) about how many PCs aren't going to be compatible with Win11. Basically, the security features affect performance negatively. Older CPUs and even some newer ones apparently aren't up to the task. While having the security features on creates negative performance, users can turn the features off to get a performance boost.

Also, the article points out the security improvements AMD and Intel have made in their CPUs. The difference between CPU generations isn't completely about cores.

"Why Windows 11 is Leaving So Many PCs Behind": https://www.pcworld.com/article/3623713/why-windows-11-is-leaving-so-many-pcs-behind.html

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/01/2021 at 09:20pm

Right away, there doesn’t seem to be a big reason to upgrade to Windows 11. A lot of PC’s may very well be left behind and that might be ok? For instance, some folks tend to buy all new PC’s every so and so years so that might work out in the end. Some PC’s might never go to Windows 11 which might be ok given that a lot of games won’t require it for quite some time.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/01/2021 at 09:22pm

I have an old PC kicking around that’s still on Windows 7. I use it to dual boot into Linux and it’s primarily a Linux file store and I use it to rsync files to my NAS. I’m also trying to build a Windows 98SE PC so in the end, I think it’s kind of neat some machines stay at older version of operating systems. Then again, I play a lot of retro games too so… yeah.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 07/01/2021 at 11:11pm

Wow! I was talking to someone recently and she mentioned someone that won't upgrade from Win7. I loved Win7. It may have been one of my most favorites, but I've loved them all (95 and up).

98SE? LOL I remember that, too! Was that one that people hated? I don't know, I think there are lots of people who hate every version ("haters gonna hate"). I think it's because they get used to one and don't want to have to "relearn" how to use a new version. This doesn't apply to me at all, though. Sure, I might have to figure out where some things have been relocated, but I don't see that as a problem.

It's cool you're running a Linux file store, though I don't know much about that. I also don't know much about NAS. You and Travis definitely have IT expertise that I don't, but that's ok, it makes me respect you more. LOL

Travis   Admin wrote on 07/02/2021 at 12:21am

Greg you're thinking about Windows ME that was a crashfest lol. Man it was rough. I even thought Vista was ok when it came out but ME was something else.

Sadly my only Linux box right now is my Raspberry Pi NAS. I need to set up a dual boot so I can try out the Steam Proton improvements.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 07/02/2021 at 12:41am

Yeah, I remember WinME was a crash/horrorfest. I think I still liked it though. One version that stands out to me in my memory is Windows 96. It was cancelled, but I remember trying it out.

Travis   Admin wrote on 07/02/2021 at 08:50pm
Travis   Admin wrote on 07/02/2021 at 08:51pm

I used to love running early builds. I used the midpoint between Windows 2000 and Windows XP as a daily driver for a while. It was shockingly stable.

Travis   Admin wrote on 07/02/2021 at 08:53pm

Whistler! That's what it was called:

https://b00merang.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/8/1/16813022/windows-whistler-2_1_orig.png

I also used Longhorn for a while between XP and Vista. I loved the interface at the time

https://betawiki.net/images/9/97/WindowsLonghorn-6.0.3718-Desktop.png

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 07/02/2021 at 09:08pm

I looked up Win96, too, just to be sure my memory wasn't fooling me or that it was fake. Now that you mention it, Whistler and Longhorn seem familiar.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/05/2021 at 04:24am

I didn’t have too hard a time with Windows ME as I think I had hardware that worked really well with it. But, Windows 98SE did seem to have a much larger set of hardware compatibility.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 07/12/2021 at 09:12pm

If you want to run Windows 11, but are worried about the system and hardware requirements (including TPM, UEFI, and Secure Boot), you may not have to worry at all. There are currently ways to bypass many of the OS's requirements. Hopefully Microsoft doesn't prevent these bypasses, but we won't know until Windows 11 is released. Check out this informative video from Linus Tech Tips to learn more: https://youtu.be/NivpAiuh-s0

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 10/04/2021 at 11:23pm

We're a day away from release, but is Windows 11 worth the upgrade? I found a good, thorough review and the conclusion doesn't look good for Win11. If you're thinking about upgrading, you might want to read this article. If you're hesitant about upgrading then I suggest waiting and not jumping into it, at least not for now. There are many things wrong with it, especially the strict hardware requirements that most users probably will not have and thus don't have compatible computers. Even the gamer "goodies" require extra hardware. To give it a look yourself, check out this review I found: https://www.pcworld.com/article/539183/windows-11-review-an-unnecessary-replacement-for-windows-10.html

jdodson   Admin wrote on 10/05/2021 at 02:49am

I'll check that out, thanks Greg. I don't plan on upgrading but will buy a new PC in the next handful of years. I imagine when I do it will come with Windows 11 unless Steam Decks new game Wine wrapper is so great I don't need to.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 10/05/2021 at 04:57am

There are parts I really want to upgrade in my PC and I've already upgraded some of them recently, but I don't even want to think about a new one. This one's only 2 years old and I'm still happy with it. I just wish for a much better GPU and monitor.

The article is a bit long, but I think it does a good job showing off the features of Windows 11 and how well they do or don't work. I'd say it's worth reading, especially if you're interested in upgrading. Even if you're definitely planning to upgrade, it's still good to know what to expect especially since expectation may not be met.

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 10/07/2021 at 06:49am

Interesting. Microsoft now has a guide to install Windows 11 without TPM 2.0. It seems your computer still needs to be compatible with TPM 1.2. If you're interested in this story check out this link: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-shows-how-to-bypass-tpm-2-0-requirement-for-windows-11/1100-6496853/

Travis   Admin wrote on 10/07/2021 at 01:58pm

I upgraded on the 4th, they released it a day early. I made a backup just in case it was bug-ridden or anything happened.

But the upgrade was just like each of the major windows 10 upgrades, it just has a new coat of paint now.

I’m sort of nonplussed about the whole thing. I don’t really prefer either. It’s just… fine I guess? If you’re used to Windows 10 it’s not majorly different.

I’m glad they’re opening it up for tpm 1.2

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 10/07/2021 at 06:58pm

Thanks, Travis! I was told by ASRock that my CPU (i7 8700) isn't compatible with TPM 2.0, so I gave up. I have a TPM module slot, but I can't easily figure out if my CPU and motherboard are 1.2 compatible. I'd probably have to search longer that I want to at the moment.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 10/09/2021 at 04:40am

Anyone know if there is a free upgrade Window we _have_ to upgrade by or lose it? Like with what they did from Windows 7 -> 10?

GregoPeck   Super Member   Post Author wrote on 10/09/2021 at 08:05am

Not that I'm aware of without "Googling" it. I believe they intend to fully support Windows 10 up until 2025 though.

Travis   Admin wrote on 10/09/2021 at 04:18pm

They claimed that was the case but you can still use windows 7 and 8 product keys to install Windows 10. Kind of a not very popularized option but it still works.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 10/09/2021 at 06:53pm

Oh, I didn’t know that. Interesting, thanks Travis.

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