> Think about it this way-- warrior primal scream can give you a 3x attack, OR the Disappear ability gives you (functionally) a 5x attack, but the Rogue attack strength will generally be lower.

It's actually a 4x attack because the first one just sets up the skill and burns the turn. Frankly I love this kind of game tedium

> I know the last time I killed the wyvern, I had plenty of gold in the bank, which unfortunately went unused and thus lost.

We have plans for that gold in other things we plan to add to the game but won't be coming right away. Longer term we will add some fun stuff to grind a lot of gold for.

> The number of times you can use a spell vs the number of fights you have seems a little unbalanced.

I don't quite understand what you mean, sorry.

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> A mage should use their spells first and foremost while a weapon should be secondary.

I totally agree with you here.

> I feel like magic is secondary. Maybe I have the wrong expectations here based on other RPGs.

Expectations are fine, I appreciate you mentioning it.

Two things come to mind when I think about Tale of the White Wyvern and classes and it's simplicity and game balance. No one class should feel markedly overpowered but they all should feel powerful. Frankly I think Mage is the most powerful class in the game right now, and we might fix that but I loathe nerfs.

For such a simple game, you can take many paths in Tale of the White Wyvern on how you play the game. Much of this is how you'd play an RPG like Diablo in that you pick your class and then as you level you can't pick a different path, it's fairly permanent. We allow dual classing too and depending on when you dual class you could have dramatically less skill points that someone else by the time you fight the Wyvern. When you balance a fight like the Wyvern you want it to feel hard but also accessable so a reasonable player that made good choices would kill it. We're not the kind of game where I want to dramatically penalize someone for making the wrong choices. I'd rather create a game where people can make choices and see how it lands and you might have a less fun time with some of your choices but it's not too far to the Wyvern to reset and start over and make better choices.

So to keep the game balanced at the core if you take Mage, Rogue and Warrior skills off the table we have everyone level up and gain the same amount of stats and have all weapons, armor and hats(to come on Thursday) be the same. This makes the game a bit vanilla but means that what choices we do allow you effect how easy or hard it is to kill monsters in the forest, PvP or the Wyvern.

Since I don't want one class to be the best class at killing the Wyvern I limit skills so it's easier to balance the game. Kind of like in Diablo III where all your Magic power is derived from your weapon.

Also. It might be worth considering that we change the class name to something that's more like a fighter with magical abilities. That would being it more in line with what the class is, which is kind of a hybrid.

I want to build what you are talking about Will, i'm just wondering if we do how that might effect the simplicity of the game? It would be fun to work on for sure.

> I must have played Mage horribly then, as so far I found it to be the weakest. :P

White is a 10x attack. Mage has the worst random skill gain (+3 hp) but with white, wowee, get ready for the hurt Wyvern!

> I like this. Going into it, I expected to find a traditional Mage and was disappointed when I found a class similar to the Warrior with some magic sprinkled in. The class felt more like how I would play a Paladin than a Mage.

Cool. Travis and I will think more about this and see what we can cook up.

It really does. 🤣

Just pushed the update out a bit early (enjoy)!

One other change we made was balance the Mage's White attack from a 10x -> 7x.

It was entirely too overpowered and now it feels good but not insane.

If it’s any consolation I’m a Mage about to take on the Wyvern. This is one of the reasons why I loathe nerfs. There is never a good time.

I love Will Ball for loving the hats and the new Rogue ability.

Hahaha prob commented in the wrong post.

You can play Wyvern in 4K and if your monitor is 120hz it will take advantage of that as well.

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All good stuff to consider. Destiny 2 is going free to play at some point and I hope that transfers to Stadia because i'd like to try Stadia for free. Since the HD version will be free, I hope some game comes I can try.

But yeah, all you mention is a good reason to think more about it.

Yep. Me too. I read something that the free tier won't get any kind of free games so to try it out we'll have to buy one which i'm really hesitant to do. Hopefully they add a free to play game at some point but that wouldn't make Google any money at all.

/shrugs I guess i'll just read the reviews of it at launch.

Mostly so I can try it before I buy anything. I don't get pre-orders for this. You're ordering something brand new, you can't try beforehand that people have done early reviews on where the servers were in the same building. Not like you can go to a store and try Stadia or anything.

Yeah. I have the SNES version but folk consider the Sega version to be superior. I bet it was very hard to get the licenses for all these games. First you need to clear with Disney then each of the development rights holders. A pretty incredible feat.

More information about the final update to Shovel Knight and it getting a physical release on Switch: https://yachtclubgames.com/2019/08/upcoming-shovel-knight-features/

> I hope this doesn’t fall so incredibly deep into the free-to-play trappings.

Ron Howard: It did.

Yep. I agree. I don't think they made as much money on Mario Run as they wanted to.