In the tweet that ground many gears, Pete Hines today revealed that Nuka World would be the last expansion for Fallout 4. People on Twitter are responding as you'd expect, feeling ripped off by the hefty price tag of the season pass (unless you bought it before the price was increased), which only provides 2 or 3 expansions (depending on how you look at it) and a few pieces of mostly settlement-building add-ons.

I, unfortunately, must agree.

Based on what we've seen in the past, Bethesda games usually get way more content than this for way less money. I thoroughly enjoy the settlement system and love building things, but it doesn't replace the value of expansions for me. Far Harbor was fantastic, probably better than the base game itself, and hopefully Nuka World will be amazing too. But other than that we have very little in terms of content, and a lot of items that expand on settlement building.

So I'm really glad I got the pass at $30. I feel like I definitely got my money's worth. $50? Not so sure.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/06/2016 at 05:36am

Didn't they say that they had other DLC they were going to launch outside the planned DLC and that's why they were charging $50?

I can see why people would be pissed. They basically said "GET THIS AT $30 BECAUSE IT'S GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF THE MAD STUFF WE ARE ADDING IN!"

If they are stopping here, I can see why people may be a bit upset.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/06/2016 at 05:50am

Ok so they did add 3 more DLC packs but I don't know of all that was worth $60. Certainly glad I got it for $30, that seems better to me.

Azurephile   Super Member wrote on 07/06/2016 at 04:05pm

That's a bummer. Fallout 3 and New Vegas got more major DLC packs. Oblivion and Skyrim did, too. Fallout 4 has one big one, one medium or small one, and a few other little ones. I'm not sure where Nuka World is going to fit in, but to me it seems like there's still much to be desired for the season pass. Maybe including all the DLC we know about, that's probably about half of what I had expected or hoped for.

Travis   Admin   Post Author wrote on 07/06/2016 at 09:21pm

I was expecting one more push of one big one and two small ones like we have been getting.

Travis   Admin   Post Author wrote on 07/07/2016 at 02:55am

OK so after this comparison, I'm OK with it.

Fallout 4's content is already more plentiful than Fallout 3's, and nearly on par with New Vegas, in terms of hours of fun to be had. If Nuka World is anywhere near the size of Far Harbor, it will totally blow it out of the park.

Also Greg-- Skyrim really didn't. Dragonborn was large, but not as large as Far Harbor, and Dawnguard was fairly short. Hearthfire was basically just building a house.

As for Oblivion, Shivering Isles was the big one, and Far Harbor is about on par with it. Knights of the Nine was interesting, but didn't add any new areas, just quests in the already present areas. The others were either horse armor (heh) or a single quest that opened up a new area for your home base.

So it seems Fallout 4 will definitely end up with the biggest amount of content in terms of hours spent and world size added on, BUT the question is still whether it's $50 worth. And now after reading that comparison, it may be.

Travis   Admin   Post Author wrote on 07/07/2016 at 02:57am

Also I meant to add-- "Fallout 3 and New Vegas got more major DLC packs"

Those games didn't have ANY expansion-size packs like Far Harbor. They were all about 5 hours worth of content.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/07/2016 at 03:12am

Still not sure I'd have paid $60 for it but more time, I suppose is better if hours per dollar is the ultimate judge of what makes something good. Like, Travis you played all the content does it feel worth $60?

Travis   Admin   Post Author wrote on 07/07/2016 at 03:52am

I haven't played all the content yet, we're still missing two that have yet to release (Vault-Tec and Nuka World) which are the two I've looked forward to the most aside from Far Harbor, and I haven't messed with Contraptions yet. So half of them are still a mystery.

Also: It's not $60, it's $50, which isn't that much less but at least it's less.

I'll just say I'm not sure. At least not yet. I think Far Harbor is easily worth $25 on its own. The more-than-20 hours I spent on it were probably my favorite hours spent with the game. I keep comparing it to Shivering Isles, because it really feels like that (it's huge-- about the same size-- and more fun than the base game, like SI), and SI was $30 at launch. Automatron was really fun, definitely worth at least $5 (to bring the running total up to $30), and it's $10 outside the season pass. So if their initial idea for the season pass was just those two and Wasteland Workshop, I'd say those three were worth that price.

The bump to $50 came with new content, which it now seems was the second set of three and, unfortunately, no more after that. So, if those three feel like they're worth $20 I think it'll be worth it, ultimately.

So yeah, I think I've talked myself out of my initial displeasure, but the new DLC is still an unknown at this point. It may be a turd.

But hours per dollar isn't the ultimate judge of what makes something good. 200 hours of clicking a single button would suck. But for games like this, you expect the gameplay to be similar enough that you can use that as a major factor. When comparing it to older games in the series, you have the new areas and quests, and the new areas and quests in Far Harbor essentially equal that of all of Fallout 3's new areas and quests.

Still, the way the initial announcement was worded, it really seemed as though there would be more content coming throughout the year. I'm not saying it was dishonest, but it may have been unintentionally misleading.

Azurephile   Super Member wrote on 07/07/2016 at 04:30am

That all makes more sense now.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/07/2016 at 05:52am

I bought the DLC on the $30 "get it now hype train" and if I had it to do over again I wouldn't have. Not that the value maybe isn't there at $30. I mean, maybe it is, but it's not for me as I haven't made a huge dent in the base game.

It's like boarding the early access hype train for a game. I've done that, had a bad time and have since disembarked.

I won't do this again with Bethesda DLC, if I finish the base game I'll get the DLC as its released and if I want to continue. Not based on some exclusive price or whatnot.

Travis   Admin   Post Author wrote on 07/07/2016 at 01:40pm

Yeah for someone who isn't putting in the time for it, it's definitely not worth it. It seems like you might not get to the DLC until it's already dropped in price, as your love for the game was never as high as mine, and your schedule, now more than ever, doesn't allow for intense gaming sessions.

jdodson   Admin wrote on 07/07/2016 at 04:58pm

> as your love for the game was never as high as mine

I really dug the first part. But something about continuing didn't hook me. I really like it though. I absolutely devoured Fo3. I will keep playing this and I imagine i'll crack the DLC at some point, so it's not all bad. smile

Travis   Admin   Post Author wrote on 07/07/2016 at 09:09pm

It may have been just a matter of timing. I'd fall out of love (heh, FALL OUT GEDDIT) with it too if I couldn't dedicate time to it. I have trouble going back into it after not playing for a while.

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