Is New Super Mario Bros. Obsolete Now?
We live in a hyped social media and hot take first world where the opinions that make it to the top aren't always the best but the most controversial. I suppose it's hard to say what opinions are "best" but we are all driven to serve up our takes as fast as... Read All I'm a big fan of the New Super Mario Bros. games and plan to collect, play and beat em' all. This Holiday I was fortunate enough to have been gifted New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe on Switch and have been playing it a lot since that joyful day. Is it a good entry in the series or does it fizzle out and is made ENTIRELY OBSOLETE by Super Mario Maker 2? Read on for the answer...
Is New Super Mario Bros. Obsolete Now?
We live in a hyped social media and hot take first world where the opinions that make it to the top aren't always the best but the most controversial. I suppose it's hard to say what opinions are "best" but we are all driven to serve up our takes as fast as possible and that doesn't always mean things are well considered. Take for example the extremely hot take that SUPER MARIO MAKER 2 MAKES SIDE SCROLLING MARIO OBSOLETE or at least future side scrolling Mario or something? Where as this thought isn't owned by all it seems popular enough and it's not entirely wrong as it's based on some truth but comes to a needless conclusion.
Is Super Mario Maker 2 really good. Hell yep. Are the Nintendo created single player stages contained within Super Mario Maker 2 _VERY_ unique, fun and refreshing? Oh yeah. Are the top of the crop player created levels a breath of fresh air and the inclusion of the Mario World mode that allows you to thread levels together in a pack a Godsend? Yeah it is but all of that being true doesn't mean that a more traditional side scrolling Mario is dead or need not exist.
I appreciate that I played a lot of Super Mario Maker 2 before New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe because I appreciate them both for what they are and it's not at the exclusion of the other. New games that do something unique or even better than games of the past doesn't need to invalidate the past game, it just means we have more good things. I think one aspect of hot take culture is that it likes to dish on the past because saying "old thing bad" is a fun angle. It's often reductionist and simplistic but it's also a lot of fun as being cynical often is.
Thanks For Whatever That Was, Can We Talk About The Game Now?
Sure! We can yadda, yadda our way to the crux of my thoughts on New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe on Switch which is "if you enjoy classic Mario side scrolling and want more of that, get this game." Frankly I'm not sure a lot of people really love that formula save for a very focused audience which I am very much part of.
I'd say New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe feels more like a sequel to the Wii version but improves it in a very helpful way. I think the biggest flaw of Super Mario Bros. Wii wasn't that it was challenging but alongside that made the worlds too long. I'm not sure what the proper amount of stages for a Super Mario World zone is but New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe nails it. I found myself VERY annoyed when you'd beat a Koopa Kid boss and they'd rally to the "real castle" and you'd have another half of the World to go. Felt way too tedious and is why I haven't completed the Wii version yet. (I plan to but the Wii game feels like a chore where the rest of the games in the series really don't)
My Thoughts On The Characters in NSMBUD
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe adds Toadette and Nabbit and that was fairly contentious for a few fans that lamented you _HAD_ to select one of the "easy" characters if you played 4 player co-op. This critique is valid and there is no way to play 4 player co-op I know of with Blue toad meaning you _HAVE_ to pick Toadette or Nabbit and I also don't care. If I was playing couch co-op with hardcore New Super Mario Bros. players and someone had to fall on the sword of an easy character I'd do it. I'm not sure it would be a hard sword to fall on because Toadette is a fun character to play as and Peachette is kick ass even if she is a form of easy mode. From time to time I play as Toadette in New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe and don't care I might miss some secret Mario street cred as she's a fun addition and I love the small changes they make to how she plays.
The Way Things Are Headed
Playing New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe on Switch is a joy and at the moment I'm slowly unlocking all the secret exits for fun. At the rate I'm going I plan on completing each level in the base game. I don't care to collect each levels star coins, but who knows, I may end up doing it. I've never really been a game competitionist but somehow in New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe it just feels like the right way to play it.
Firstly, everyone with the Wii U version still has it and you can play 4 player without the easy characters. Secondly, how often to people play four player? It's possible some people play this mode all the time, but even so if I did I wouldn't mind playing as Toadette. If you play 4 player all the time, again, you still have the original game.
It's also possible Nintendo might patch in four player with blue toad.
All that said, New Super Mario Bros Wii U Deluxe looks great from the reviews I've read (including the Digital Foundry video review above) and the addition of Toadette and Nabbit makes the game more accessible to people that might not mind playing with you but would get frustrated dying a lot if they aren't hardcore gamers. For instance I could see my young son playing as Nabbit as he gets better over time and can play as the more traditional characters.
Nintendo also dropped more details on the first batch of games to come bundled with it's online service such as Baseball, Balloon Fight, Dr. Mario, Donkey Kong, Double Dragon, Excitebike,... Read All Nintendo just dropped one of the most impressive Nintendo Direct's today answering the question of what's coming next to the Switch. Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion 3, Yoshi's Crafted World, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles port, Final Fantasy XII remaster, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy IX, and X/X-2, Katamari Damacy Reroll, Civilization VI as well as New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe which is New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe making one of the stinger console lineups moving into 2019.
Nintendo also dropped more details on the first batch of games to come bundled with it's online service such as Baseball, Balloon Fight, Dr. Mario, Donkey Kong, Double Dragon, Excitebike, Ghosts 'N Goblins, Gradius, Ice Climber, Ice Hockey, The Legend of Zelda, Mario Bros., Pro Wrestling, River City Ransom, Soccer, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Tecmo Bowl, Tennis & Yoshi's Cookie. Travis and Tim should be pretty stoked to be able to have Ice Climber so easily accessible anywhere they go, I know I will. Seriously though, it's a great list of games and looks to add some missing games from the NES Classic something that people can't seem to get enough of. Nintendo's Virtual Console might be dead but adding free games atop the online service is really awesome. I'm curious if these games will rotate out for new ones of if the library will just become massive over time making the Nintendo Online subscription even more compelling?
I keep seeing these videos of news of games coming to the Switch! It's a damn shame I don't have one nor am planning to get one any time soon because of the expense. But man is the Switch getting tons of stuff! Oh and there's also a Smash Bros Switch bundle coming, too! https://www.gamespot.com/articles/super-smash-bros-ultimate-switch-bundle-announced-/1100-6461764/
Right, there are. I think I’m gonna get one for Christmas.
Why wait for Christmas? :)
I like needless suffering.
Any games you going to get from this direct Will? Im wondering how Civ 6 will play with a controller?
Online. I want the nes controllers too. Going to pick up Luigi's Mansion at some point. I may pick up Super Mario U.
Oh man, honestly the big news for me in this is more Katamari. It’s been too long since I obsessively picked up everything in sight.
And I’m still hoping for a Mario Maker port. It looks like that’s my only holdout game from the Wii U.
Yeah, I bet they'll just create a whole new game but the new version will be heavily based on the original. The 3DS Mario Maker port is awesome, you just can't share your maps with anyone online you need to physically be next to them.
I commented before watching the video, I was hoping for something new with Katamari but it looks like the first game with a fresh coat of paint, which is a little disappointing. There have been a lot of core changes to the game over the years that we'll kinda miss out on. But maybe it's the start of something, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't going to buy it anyway.
And I agree Will, I want those NES Controllers. But in trying to decide what I'd use from the online service, I think it's basically just the NES games and nothing else so I'm not sure it's worth it.
I am also interested in Diablo 3, despite owning it on the PC. I like the idea of that game being more portable.
Agreed with Diablo III being more portable. I think I’d just buy online for the games too and at some point the catalog might get so compelling as to get it for that alone. That said $20 isn’t that much but I’m not sure I need yet another way to play the original Super Mario brothers.
Synopsis: In New Super Mario Bros. U, the Princess is once again in need of Mario's help as Bowser invades the Mushroom Kingdom with his Koopalings and Bowser Jr. The Koopalings were introduced in Super Mario Bros. 3 and have appeared in other Mario games and the cartoon. They are Wendy, Larry, Lemmy, Iggy, Morton, Roy, and Ludwig. Toad also makes an... Read All Bundle info:Recently, I decided to get the New Super Mario Bros. Wii U Deluxe Set. This set includes a Wii U with a 32 gigabyte hard drive and a disc containing New Super Mario Bros. U and New Super Luigi Bros. U. It also comes with an HDMI cable, which I was delighted to see. Other A/V cables can be purchased separately.
Synopsis: In New Super Mario Bros. U, the Princess is once again in need of Mario's help as Bowser invades the Mushroom Kingdom with his Koopalings and Bowser Jr. The Koopalings were introduced in Super Mario Bros. 3 and have appeared in other Mario games and the cartoon. They are Wendy, Larry, Lemmy, Iggy, Morton, Roy, and Ludwig. Toad also makes an appearance in the game along with Blue Toad and Yellow Toad. Yoshi also makes an appearance along with Baby Yoshi who comes in blue, yellow, and pink versions. Each Baby Yoshi has their own abilities. The pink Baby Yoshi acts like a hot air balloon, giving the player a lift into the air and the ability to float down. The blue Baby Yoshi spits bubbles which turns enemies into bubbles that contain coins. These bubbles can also be jumped on and provide a bounce. The yellow Baby Yoshi lights up the area when used, which is helpful in dark dungeons.
One of the reasons there are so many characters in the game is perhaps because the game has a multiplayer feature, which allows up to five players to play the game together. One player can use the GamePad and the other four can use Wii-motes. I can't report on this feature as I have not tried it out yet. I have, however, played the single player Story Mode using the GamePad. In fact, I didn't play the game on my TV, I simply used the GamePad, which seems to pretty much be an HD DS XXL. However, the Wii U console must be on and within about 10 feet as it uses Bluetooth to connect to the GamePad. I did test the range.
New Super Luigi Bros. U is actually a DLC, which seems to be something new with Nintendo. Perhaps I should say, "new-to-me," as I haven't seen very many Nintendo games that have DLC. That is if you think of DLC as in add-ons, I have, however, been familiar with games that have digital versions which can be purchased from Nintendo's online store. As for the new Luigi game, it is very much like the new Super Mario Bros. U game, but Mario does not make an appearance in it. Instead, the player controls Luigi who has abilities similar to his character in Super Mario Bros. 2. That is, he can jump higher than Mario. The courses are also different as you only have 100 seconds to complete a course, but they are also smaller and do not contain flags which mark halfway points. So, failing a course means starting back at the beginning of the course.
In the game, you can visit Toad houses in order to play a small mini-game in which you can win power-ups. One of the new enemies is a rabbit named Nabbit who is introduced when you get near the first Toad house. You see him come out of Toad's house with a bag and he runs away. Toad then tells the player about what happened and shows you how to use pipes to quickly get to another area in the game. Toad uses a pipe to get to the first area in the game after asking you to help him chase Nabbit and get his stuff back. Nabbit is visible on the world map, so you know where he's hiding. Once you select to play that course, you have to chase him down. He is fast, but not too difficult to catch. Luckily, after catching him, you don't have to finish the course. As soon as you catch him you see yourself at the end of the level with Toad, who gives you a power-up for helping him.
Along with the standard Mushroom, Star, and Fire Flower power-ups, the game includes Super Acorn, Ice Flower, and Mini Mushroom power-ups. The Super Acorn allows you to glide in the air, much like the new enemy that seems to be a flying squirrel. The Ice Flower power-up allows you to freeze enemies. You can stand on them, but they will thaw out eventually. You can pick up a frozen enemy and throw it, which can knock out other enemies as it glides through the course. I did obtain a Mini Mushroom power-up, but never used it. I believe I did see a couple of mini-pipes that you could probably enter with this power-up. There is also a power-up that turns you into a penguin and allows the player to glide across ice. I also found a propeller hat which helps you jump higher and float down.
Finishing Story Mode allows you to save at any point, instead of just when a castle or fortress is cleared. It also unlocks a small island that you can visit that shows you statistics. Another course, Star Road, is unlocked and available, but each course is locked until you collect all the Star Coins in each area. For instance, in order to unlock the first course, you must have obtained all the Star Coins in the first area of the game. This is something I have not yet completed.
Wait, the princess needs Mario's help? I'm shocked!
Cue a Sarkeesian video.
Yeah, although in New Super Luigi Bros. U, it's Luigi that helps her as he replaces Mario. One thing that's missing is Toad telling you that the princess is in another castle. It's obvious from the beginning which castle she's in. LOL
It occurs to me that the joke in my first comment here could be taken the wrong way. I don't mean to slight what Anita Sarkeesian is trying to do, in fact I'm a fan. I was more making a joke about the trope being reused in every Mario game.
But yeah, Greg, I do miss Toad in every castle, or as they were called in the original, Mushroom Retainers. http://www.mariowiki.com/Mushroom_Retainer
Well I have no idea who Anita is, so my interpretation of your joke was that you were using a sarcastic voice.
Anyway, I'm kind of proud that I made two posts today!
As E3 continues and I continue to enjoy my friends Wii U games AND after reading this, I am thinking a Wii U might be in my future. It just looks like fun.
Awesome! Sadly, I haven't really been paying attention to E3, although I caught some Zelda videos. I have been enjoying the Wii U lately, though.
I am completely jealous. Between Mario Kart 8 and Nintendo's E3, I'm fairly confident that the Wii U is going to be the next console I buy.
Which is crazy as I mocked it heavily when it first came out lol. I still want a PS4 someday, I think, but the Wii U and probably a Steam Machine are higher priorities.
I agree Adym, I think Steam Machine+Wii U is a pretty awesome combo. Still considering the Wii U and all told, I might pick it up when it's cheaper and by that time it will have way cooler games.
That said, you should buy one sooner so I can play it at your house.
Next week works for me.
I like that there's now two or three of you that are thinking about getting a Wii U. I wonder how many of us here have one.
I want a U, and some Nintendo stock lol
Yeah the U launch was terrible, but it's getting to the point where I want one badly. I'll be getting it for the Nintendo-owned properties and Bayonetta 2, and that's a little disappointing. I hate console-exclusives. But still, the only way to play some of these games is to buy one, so I probably will. Nintendo knows how to make fun shit, even if they don't know how to market a console.
That's awesome that you guys are wanting a Wii U! I'm interested in knowing more about this desire, why you want one. I still haven't checked out Nintendo's E3 announcements other than one or two Zelda videos. I told you, with this post, that I played New Super Mario Bros. U. Honestly, I found Mario Kart 8 to be much more fun. I tend to get frustrated with Super Mario Bros. games (such as SMB and SMB3, etc.) although I don't remember getting frustrated with SMB2. I really enjoyed that one. As for other Mario games, my feelings vary. I enjoyed Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario, but the Paper Mario game for the Wii didn't quite appeal to me very much. I also have Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga for the GBA, which I also enjoyed. I got my son Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, which seems to be part of the Mario RPG series. The box says it's a really good and funny game. Unfortunately, the night before I was going to play it I saw it and the next night when I was ready to play it, I couldn't find it.
I was excited about the Wii U when it was announced, but I lost interest in it some time after it's release. I think the fact that I couldn't afford one at the time was a big part of that. Still, I'm not aware of very many games that are out for it and so far I think Mario Kart 8 is definitely one of the very best. I have now unlocked all the characters and have decided to start playing Pikmin 3.
I think the Wii U GamePad is quite interesting. With my most recent experience with it, I'm finding that it's great in some games and doesn't even need the TV, but in some games I like using the Wii-mote instead. In Pikmin 3, you can use the GamePad's touch screen to move the cursor around, but I realized that I'd prefer to use the Wii-mote to move the cursor. When I held the GamePad for the first time at GameStop, it seemed bigger than I expected. Now that I've used it a bit, I find that I'm impressed with it. The screen seems to be bigger than the screen on my 3DSXL, but I believe the size of the GamePad is just right. It doesn't feel too heavy, bulky, or odd. It also has it's own charger that comes with it. Without looking it up on the Internet, I can't tell you how long the internal rechargeable battery lasts, but when I played New Super Mario Bros. U., I spent a few hours playing in one game play and had to charge it twice in one session. I think it's battery life is similar to my 3DSXL.
I hope you guys decide to get one and, if you do, I recommend getting the Wii U Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Set and register your copy of the game before the free-game offer expires. Thanks for the comments! =)
When I found out Bayonetta 2 was going to be an exclusive, I kinda wanted one. Mario Kart 8 made me want one even more. The new Zelda and Starfox games made me want one EVEN MORE.
And you may have found enjoyment with Super Mario Bros. 2 as opposed to the others, because it was never actually a Super Mario Bros. game. When the original SMB2 came out in Japan, Nintendo thought it would be too hard for western audiences so they reskinned Doki Doki Panic to make it look like a Mario game. The "Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels" that is on Super Mario All-Stars is the actual Super Mario Bros. 2. In Japan, our SMB2 is known as Super Mario Bros: USA.
What I really want is a Super Mario Galaxy for Wii U, where player 2 can do something really interesting with the gamepad. Katie and I loved playing Galaxy together on the Wii.
I hated the look of the gamepad, I didn't want to have to hold something that large. But I only really tried it out once briefly at a store. I think I was too loyal to Xbox, before I knew the details of the system and then became a PS4 snob.
But the only game that really jumped out at me as a *must buy* was Watch Dogs, and I just can't justify a console for one game.
So I settled for waiting for a Steam Machine. I have been slowly building my Steam library and am looking forward to playing the games on my tv.
I saw trailera for Mario Kart 8 and thought it looked great, but haven't been into Super Mario games since Mario 64, so those never drew me in. I've also not played a Zelda game since Link's Awakening... and have really wondered what I've missed. Seeing a little bit of the new Zelda game really piqued my interested. Then on top to see a really interesting looking shooter game Splatoon, I was hooked. Maybe I'll ever grab Super Smash Bros.
Another great thing about Nintendo games is being able to play them when the kids are awake, and with them as well :-)
I don't know anything about Bayonetta 2, so I can't comment on that. I haven't seen anything about Starfox for the Wii U, which means that I need to start checking out Nintendo's E3 conference (the only one I care about). I remember the original Starfox on the SNES. I did play the one for the N64 at a friend's house and enjoyed it, but that's about it. I have Starfox Assault for the GameCube, although I want to play Starfox Adventures, also on the GameCube. I totally agree with you about Zelda! I thought Hyrule Warriors looked cool, but the other new Zelda game looks awesome, too! I, of course, really enjoy playing Mario Kart 8.
As for SMB2, I am aware of what you stated. It was one of the very few in the American series that I was able to beat. I'm not sure if I've played The Lost Levels, but I'm familiar with it. Thumbs up for your knowledge of Mario trivia, by the way! That's two things you've stated about the series so far that most people might not be aware of (the first was about Toad Retainers).
As for Mario Galaxy, I agree that a Wii U version would be really cool. I thought Mario Galaxy and Mario Galaxy 2 were very beautiful, even if I got frustrated with them, too. I did finish them last year while Vinny was away. I'm glad you and Katie enjoyed playing Mario Galaxy together. I played those games with Vinny, but preferred to play it on my own.
Super Smash Bros. is also a big Nintendo title coming out for the Wii U and 3DS that is exciting. I've enjoyed every game in that series so far and am looking forward to the Wii U version. I'm not sure if I'll get the 3DS version, but it should be out sooner than the Wii U version. I think GameStop told me it comes out for the 3DS in July and for the Wii U later in the year. That series is very popular and I imagine Nintendo will sell a lot of units when it is released.
Seeing as how popular and cool Mario Kart 8 is, I imagine their sales are doing better now. I'm surprised and glad to see so much enthusiasm for the Wii U now.
That's cool, Adym, and thank you for your comments. I was into the original XBox, but the 360 never appealed to me. It seems (to me) to be a system more for FPS games, which I'm not really into anymore (I played those kinds of games a long time ago when the earlier Doom, Quake, and Wolfenstein series were out). I suck at Halo and have only played that at a friend's house. Oh, I should also say that I loved Golden Eye on the N64. The only game I saw for the XBox 360 that I'd like to play is Blue Dragon (a Final Fantasy game). As for the PS4, I don't know what's out for it. I imagine I'll want one when a single player Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts game comes out for it.
I'm also not at all interested in a Steam machine. I have been enjoying Steam on my PC, but the console idea hasn't appealed to me. I still only have a small Steam library, but I have some great games in it. I recently played Skyrim on the PC via Steam and was wowed. My PC is able to run the game on Ultra High settings without any lag. I have also recently created a Steam account for my son. I finally got most of the games in my library installed on his computer (my old one). I also decided to get him Gary's Mod.
Mario Kart 8 does look very great and is cool. I've been following the Zelda series and have been enjoying those games. The graphics in the first Wii game are some what disappointing, but it's still fun. I also have the second Zelda game for the Wii, which I enjoyed as well. I think Super Smash Bros. is one of those "must have" games for a Nintendo system like Mario Kart.
I totally agree with your statement about Nintendo games and playing them when kids are awake. One of the main reasons I got the Wii U was so that my son could play it and we could play it together. I played GTAV when he was asleep. He's been asking me if he can play it, but I keep telling him no because he's 10. Of course he doesn't like that as his friends are allowed to play it and Call of Duty and similar games. I got Gary's Mod for him because it said it was a "sandbox" game, but there are still realistic guns, which makes me kind of "iffy" about letting him play. My reasoning behind denying him from playing GTA games is not just the violence and gore, but also the language.
I'm really excited after watching some videos from Nintendo's E3 events. Adym, Splatoon looks pretty cool and interesting. Travis, I could only seem to find very brief mention of Star Fox for the Wii U, but saw the video for Star Fox 64 on the 3DS. Was there more about Star Fox on the Wii U that you saw that I didn't see?
One point to keep in mind about the Wii U is that it is backwards compatible with the Wii, although I have not yet tried this feature. Since I got one of the first Wii consoles that were released at launch, my Wii suffers from an original disc drive that has issues reading games such as Super Smash Bros. Brawl and the Metroid games. I'm looking forward to seeing if the Wii U is able to recognize those games where my Wii has failed. Although I don't know very much about the other newest consoles, I know that the PS4 is expected to bring older Playstaton games to the PS4 via the online store. However, Nintendo has had a Virtual Console for quite a while now and many older games can be purchased and played on the Wii, DS, and now the Wii U.
Right now, I think the only negative thing I can think of about the Wii U is that the hard drive is only 32 gigabytes. In today's technical world, that is pretty small. My Kindle Fire HDX has internal storage of double that size (I did pay extra to have the maximum amount of storage available). Hard drive storage capacities have exploded and prices seem to have gotten better as well. My old PC that I built and is now used by my son has a 320 gig hard drive and a 1 terabyte hard drive. My new PC has a 3 terabyte hard drive, so 32 gigabytes seems pretty small. My PS3 has an 80 gig hard drive and even though I don't have a lot of video games, it has filled up pretty quickly and easily.
After watching some Nintendo E3 videos I was excited to find out that the GamePad has a feature that I didn't even know about. I'm talking about amiibo (http://e3.nintendo.com/amiibo/), which is a figure that you can place on an area on the GamePad that can interact with games and store information. This is a new feature especially for the new Super Smash Bros. Wii U game. However, I also learned that it will be usable with Mario Kart 8, which answers the question of characters like Diddy Kong that are visible in some pictures, but not yet featured in the game.
I also watched the Tree House video featuring Hyrule Warriors and I was very impressed! You should check it out (http://e3.nintendo.com/treehouse/)! One of the guys who plays it shows what one of the fairies can do. I don't want to spoil it here, but I was totally in awe of what happened!
Nice. Me and my son have the Wii U version of the game, including Luigi U, I think. We've played it together, but he's probably played it more than I have and it's been quite a while (he's 16 now). It's cool to see another parent's experience w/ their kids and video games. I grew up as a Nintendo fan boy, too.
I can see how forcing you to "use or lose" your items can be frustrating a first, but then also opening up other experiences we may have ignored. I think I was probably a hoarder, too.
I hoard in games all the time. Most notably in Final Fantasy games. I’ll hoard a ton of healing and ethers and never use them in favor of magic and the refresh that at camp sites.
Same here, unless or until I have to rely on items sometimes. I can think of other games where this happens, too.