Borderlands

It's good that you are starting with Borderlands because firstly, it's great and secondly Borderlands 2 adds some mechanics that make it a bit harder to come back and enjoy the first game. Nothing major, but nice quality of life improvements that make Borderlands 2 that much better for it. Personally I enjoy the gameplay focus on the first game over the story and dialog focus on the second. The story is pretty engaging and funny the first time but becomes less so the more times you go through the game. I really hope Borderlands 3 does something that allows you to play the game without dialog or something.

That said, the original Borderlands is a really contained game that provides a nice length campaign that, to me, never felt overlong. I play it mostly on the PS3 and the game shined on that system but still holds up very well on PC. I've always dreamed they'd bring the Mac port to Steam and also port it to Linux but that doesn't seem to likely at this point.

Anyways, glad you are enjoying the game and I look forward to more of your thoughts on it.

Yeah what Jon says is absolutely true. Overall, I remember the first game more fondly. It had more charm somehow. It was rough around the edges but I liked that. The setting, overall, is more appealing.

But Borderlands 2 ramps up the polish, a better written story, more humor (perhaps too much at times), an incredibly charismatic villain, and most importantly tons of balance and mechanics changes that really make it better. Weapon skill leveling is gone, perks are in. Gunplay feels more impactful.

Borderlands 2 is the better game, definitely, but it misses some piece of magic from the first game that I can't quite quantify.

As for the first game, when is the best time to access those areas? I'm level 27 or 28 now, I have 27 backpack slots. There seems to be plenty to do, Claptrap keeps telling me someone somewhere wants to talk to me or there are new missions available. I'm still just getting around, I just recently got the ability to teleport with that one station.

By "those areas" I assume you're talking about DLC missions? Each mission should tell you what level it's geared toward, and the DLC ones will reset every few levels if you ignore them. So, there's really no wrong time once you reach the first threshold for them. Each one has a different initial level target I think. It's been a while so I can't remember.

I'd play the DLC after you are done with the main game campaign. You can do it whenever, but I believe the DLC story wise happens after the main storyline.

That's a good point. For the most part it doesn't matter but there's one key part of one DLC that wouldn't make a lot of sense if you haven't gotten to a certain point in the main game.

That's vague as hell, but I don't want to spoil things.

After asking my question here, I decided to Google it hours later and what I read is what Jon said, play them after the main story.

As for Borderlands 2 and the prequel, what order do you suggest for those games? I believe a friend told me I should play the prequel before the 2nd game as that's how the story flows, but I was thinking that I might just go by what was released first (B2).

That's like saying you should watch the Star Wars prequels before the original trilogy!

Definitely go in release order. The Pre-Sequel kinda assumes you know things that happened in BL2 in a sense. It actually takes place *after* BL2 in a sense, since there are characters from BL2 telling the story. You'll spoil plot points in BL2 by playing The Pre-Sequel first.

Borderlands => Borderlands DLC => Borderlands 2 => Borderlands The Pre-Sequel.

That said, I still have yet to play the Borderlands DLC, finish up Borderlands 2(I am very close) and then the Pre-Sequel. I have games for ages.

LOL @ Travis. Why wouldn't you? Hahaha. Well, I did play Wolfenstein The Old Blood before I played The New Order and I think it was fine.

One of the reasons I thought about playing the BL trilogy by going by which was released first, was because I imagine various game mechanics are different or improved upon in the newest version (the Pre-Sequel).

Thanks for the input and helping me choose a path.

I'm 30 hours in, feeling a bit more comfortable, happy with some guns, not so happy with others. I tend to use a shotgun or sniper rifle, hardly anything else other than grenades, which I use to give me health.

I'm still learning the game. Claptrap keeps telling me about new missions via a notice board or person. But, I bounce around so much that I hardly get to know any areas or the people in them. I'm also not sure about Class Mods, particularly what I should be using. I haven't quite learned all of the benefits some of them provide and some of those seem to be for co-op play.

I found those people and notification boards I needed to see for more missions. After finishing a bunch of missions, I completed the "first playthrough." Now I'm working on Dr. Ned's DLC. I also looked up info about "class mods" and went with Commando.

Cool! What did you think of completing the base game? What did you think of the ending?

In a way, I expected it to be longer, yet I didn't really know what to expect. It has it's challenges and fun. I didn't complete all of the challenges, I only looked at that screen once, I think. I'm not sure if I found all the Claptraps, but I think my backpack has about 36 slots. Also, I only completed it once with Roland, the soldier, so there is definitely more to do other than the DLC.

I wasn't expecting the storyline to end the way it did, so I was surprised.

Ah, I forgot about finding claptraps to get backpack upgrades. I kinda like that more than spending that secondary currency on them in BL2.

Have any of you gone through the game more than once? What classes or characters did you choose?

Not all the way through, no. But I tried all of them for a few hours but Lilith was my jam.

I beat the game with Lilith too. Roland was also pretty fun.

I beat the game with Roland and Mordicai. Played a bit as Lilith and Brick. Roland is by far my favorite character in the first Borderlands. You can set yourself up to basically have unlimited ammo and grenades. :P

Nice! I was waiting for you to join us in this post, Tim. :)

So, I tried out the 2nd DLC, Mad Moxxi's Underdome and I don't think I'm going to complete it. I tried and found it to be a bit too difficult and the battles were too long. It seemed like it'd take forever just to beat one of the three arenas. I can imagine that it could be better with friends. So, I'm working on the 3rd DLC now.

Also, at least 2 or 3 of my friends have told me that the Pre-Sequel is their favorite. Some of them still recommend playing it before BL2.

@Tim, what class mod did you go with for Roland?

Moxxi's DLC is a very different kind of expansion since it's just an arena. It's fun but not like the others.

Oh wow, the visual difference between the first two games is..."wow!" BL2 looks wonderful! I played it before, or at least during a free weekend, but I only spent a couple of hours in it. I like that I've now played the first game and have moved to the second, because I know things and see recognizable things in the world. I chose Zero when I played it years ago, but this time I went with Axton because I got used to the first game with Roland, a similar character.

I might go back to Borderlands eventually, but I think for now I'm going to move on to BL2. I left Moxxi's Underdome and Crawmerax unfinished.

I guess by Crawmerax you mean the General Knoxx DLC? If so, yeah you got the best ones done. Although I was getting quite annoyed with Claptrap by the end of the Robot Revolution DLC, I still enjoyed it. Zombie Island is the best I think.

Yeah, I think that's where Crawmerax is. I read that it's hard even with 4 people. I got kind of tired of driving all around back and forth in the General Knoxx DLC. I thought Robot Revolution and Zombie Island were good, though. I turned in hundreds of Clapcomponents, but at the end decided to not continue that cycle, I was ready to move on.

BL2 seems to be better many ways, but not necessarily all. I liked having the markers on the compass instead of just the mini-map. I don't think I've run into any med kits that you can buy, store, and use later. I'm still quite impressed at the visual upgrade from BL to BL2.

I think I ended up kinda cheesing Crawmerax. It doesn't give you good enough loot to punish yourself with it unless you're on your second (or higher) playthrough.

It's been awhile, so I don't remember the specifics about my class mod I preferred with Roland. I just remember it had team ammo regen.

For BL2 I play Salvador or Gaige.

For Salvador I invest heavily in the rampage skill tree. I'm all about being able to spend as much time gunzerking as possible! I stick to class mods that give team ammo regen plus whatever the best skill bonuses I can find.

For Gaige I went down the Little Big Trouble tree, which gives a bunch of fun bonuses to electric damage weapons, as well as some fun stuff like sending out an electric shock-wave every time you reload or causing an electric AoE when you score a critical hit. Early on I just look for whatever mod gives the best stat bonuses. Once I get interspersed Outburst, I look for a mod that gives me a bonus for that.

Gaige's skill tree is tons of fun to experiment with. It looks like you put way more thought into it than I do! :)

Also Greg, your header image broke!

That's cool, thanks for sharing, Tim!

Travis, it looks like my image on the post is fine.

Weird. I wonder what's breaking it on my end!

Occasionally the avatar images break for some reason(not sure why though). All of them are simple links back to whatever service the person selected.

I meant the post's embed image. It was gone for me for an hour or so but then it was fine.

...Allows owners of the game a free Steam copy. Thought they were handing out Steam codes to everyone for a second there ;)!

Ha yeah, that would be awesome. I kind of want them to hand out Steam keys for people with PS3 and XBox 360 copies, but... Not everyone is Valve and this isn't Portal 2.

Still, a Steam copy from any PC version is pretty nice.

The article states that the Granting Tool works with retail discs. Will it work with non-Steam digital copies? Some people commenting are saying you have to have the disc in the drive when using the tool.

I am not sure. That said, if you had the retail PC disc I guess you pass it around to your friends for a free copy each?

I downloaded the tool to convert to Steam, but I can't get any further in the process because the first step is to verify your disk, but I assume it also requires you to put in a product code later? But it may be so long into the game's life that they don't really mind if you share it with your friends.

At any rate, scrypt, yeah it seems like you have to have the game disk. Maybe, if it does key verification later, you can use someone else's disk with your key? Who knows...

FINAL COMMENT in this chain, sorry for spamming up the place: based on comments on that Steam topic, it does seem that it requires a key after verifying the disk.

Ah. That's good to know. So they have some kind of Gearbox key they verify and then hand out a Steam copy if it all works right.

So it seems. It's apparently getting hammered right now though, some people are reporting some issues connecting.

Most retail disc games (all, that I'm aware of...) come with a CD key for registration. I would assume if the tool requires the disc, it would then verify the CD Key, as a two-step proof of ownership. Just glad they moved away from SecuRom!

I am glad too, that's why I posted it mainly. I have less of a problem with DRM is the companies remove it at some point. There is a slight usecase for DRM around launch I guess and if they strip it away at some point, it makes the whole concept of it less stupid.

Here's something to think about. When the Witcher 2 released, the version that showed up on The Pirate Bay wasn't the DRM-free version from gog.com that would have been trivial to pirate, it was the Steam version with the SecuROM cracked out. People in that scene were just used to doing it that way. That's how trivial it is to crack. DRM only screws with paying customers who want to play fair, having to have the disc in to play, or in some cases having to keep a constant internet connection to the publisher's servers. But if you have to have DRM, Steamworks DRM is the least obtrusive of all of them I've seen. You just have to have Steam open and occasionally connect it to the internet. I suppose Origin is the same way.

I agree with you and, for sure, history and is on your side here. It's just that if DRM has a purpose it's only in the run up to the game launch and a bit thereafter. Certainly it isn't useful during a big ass Steam sale where the game costs $5 or in the games 5th year of life.

I guess I am just trying to strike a middle ground somewhere so publishers can feel better and DRM gets removed in some known period.

Excellent point. Another something to think about (or speculate over, as the case may be): Concerning the implementation of DRM, do you think most companies are worried about losing profits, or annoyed that someone is getting something for nothing? Put another way, if all the people that pirate games (or any digital content) lived on some remote island with amazing satellite broadband, but TSA level shipping restrictions, would anyone really care if their product was pirated? Would digital piracy even be an issue at that point?

Lost profits) Yes, I think that's the point entirely, with games at least. I think DRM is made to stop people from simply copying files to a friends computer so they can play it for free.

Remote island) Piracy wouldn't be as popular in terms of downloads but in countries with bad internet they have dealers on the street selling DVD's and such. Like life, piracy finds a way.

My point is that pirates will pirate, they won't purchase. As long as they don't sell what they pirate, and the people that purchase content legitimately continue to do so, what harm does piracy do? Transformers 4 grossed $300M worldwide in its first three days. I'll take a presumptuous guess and say that it was pirated at least 100,000 times, which is likely a low figure. If someone steals something from a stockpile of infinite supply, what does it matter if a handful consistently go missing?

> My point is that pirates will pirate, they won't purchase.

That's not entirely true. Netflix won over a lot of pirates because there was finally a better product than piracy. Many people chose to pirate the first Assassin's Creed game on PC because of the draconian DRM. Plus it isn't unheard of to pirate a game as a demo and buy it later, but that example is the exception rather than the rule.

I'll amend my hyperbolic statement, and say instead that pirates don't want to purchase. I wasn't thinking so much of the people that dabble in blue moon piracy, as DRM isn't built for these people. Netflix streaming service hasn't offered much in the way of new content in years, and I'll bet that most of those pirates that "converted" are really just ripping Netflix discs as they come in the mail.

Free to Play is an excellent solution to piracy (maybe the only pure solution, as it is essentially legalized piracy), although it doesn't always seem applicable. How would Wolfenstein: New Order work as a Free to Play game? And this is what I was vaguely and sloppily coming around to: Could there be more room to innovate in the Free to Play model? Do you think we might see a big game, like Uncharted 4 or Half-Life 3, released in some F2P hybrid?

> My point is that pirates will pirate, they won't purchase.

I think that scrypt is right for some people. I know this guy that was an avowed pirate, he bragged how little he bought and pirated a ton of content. He lauded that he bought stuff he loved, but I didn't really buy that from him, he wasn't terribly trustworthy as a person anyway. Not saying all pirates are bad people, but he seemed to have the value of "I don't pay for stuff and am happy about it." He had money to buy it, he just didn't want to and was happy to stick it to someone. Games, movies, whatever.

Netflix does offer new films in rotation. I just recently watched The Master, World War Z, Oldboy(Spike Lee remake), Machete Kills, Pain and Gain & Don Juan. Maybe not all triple A movies, but I wanted to see them all and was happy I didn't have to rent. That said, I love films but don't need to see each triple A movie release, waiting or never is fine for me.

I hear from many people that they rip discs from Netflix and Redbox too, that seems to be really common. I think that shows that digital movie pricing is a bit high for some, and i'd tend to agree. I think the only digital pricing that seems to have come to a norm are some ebooks, music and indie games. Everything else needs to catch up to a better model.

Free to play seems to work for multi-player competitive games, but perhaps, not a ton else. Well, Candy Crush works too I guess. That said, Wolf: New Order wouldn't work well in F2P and it doesn't need to because, if memory serves, it sold pretty well.

I hope we don't see games like Half-Life 3 come F2P because it doesn't make a ton of sense to and they'd make enough money through normal sales anyway. Will Valve make more money over time from DoTA 2 than Portal 2? I think so but I hope they still make non F2P games, because I honestly play more of them anyway.

Ugh, you watched the Spike Lee remake? I've heard it's at best OK if you haven't seen the original, and atrocious if you have.

Also, Half-Life 3 could be free-to-play if they gave Gordon tons of hats to wear. It seems to have worked for TF2.

The Oldboy remake was fine but the original one was much better.

I've heard good things about the original Oldboy. I haven't seen either, though. All consumed with Guardians of the Galaxy coming out this Friday, which, I read on the internet somewhere, will be better than both Oldboys combined.

Say that Gabe sends out a memo to Team Half-Life, stating that he wants the third iteration to be Free to Play. Half Life is a universe serious in tone, and you don't want to throw gimmicks at it to monetize it, and no way in hell will there be ad placement. Beyond the typical Free to Play structures we've seen, how could you go about monetizing a "free" experience, without cheating the player or the story? I apologize if I just keep repeating the same thing in different words. It's fascinating to think about it, and each time I post a comment I feel like I'm close to progressing the conversation with an actual idea, but then I get trapped in my head, thinking about what I'm thinking about, and that turns into a desire for cinnamon rolls, and then I lose the thought.

I'll have something later, I promise!

Well, now *I* have a desire for cinnamon rolls, so thanks. :)

There is a place here called Ginger Browns and they make amazing cinnamon rolls. Not gooey, or overly cinnamony, but dense and rich and chewy and you pretty much die after eating one. It's ridiculous.

Video explaining the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smFJaRWwvRs

Like you I have some doubts too. That said, all they need to do it make it awesome and I guess the formula is pretty well established. The game could suck but if the mechanics are right, it should still be a fun game.

Odd thing, they are only releasing on ps3, 360 and PC. My thought it this might just be using the BL2 tech and skipping by the PS4 and XBox One? Odd to see a release not target them.

I saw something else (and I thought it was in this article but apparently not) that the reason they're targeting the previous generation is the install base. It would be expensive to add new platforms and not as much reward.

But then, there won't be people flocking to the new platforms without games, so... it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. But, like Randy Pitchford, I'm not in a hurry to jump onto the next generation yet either.

Interview with Randy about why this isn't Bl3:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/04/09/borderlands-the-pre-sequel-qa-randy-pitchford-on-why-this-isnt-borderlands-3-and-how-he-loves-to-play-on-pc/

@Travis yeah I'm not either. That said, I see almost no value in getting a new console. My PC is just so damn great.

Wait... I mean, a traditional console... I want a Steam Machine.

GABEN FORGIVE!!!

The little big trouble tree looks like fun. I usually I don't go for the electric weapons because their damage takes a dive once your target's shield is down. But I like the idea of your electric weapons also setting stuff on FIRE! Mwa ha ha ha!

Yep, that extra ability seems fun. The Mecromancers skill tree is pretty creative, too bad she didn't ship with the normal game.

I need to get Maya to max level fast so I can be done with her when Gaige comes out. This is quickly becoming the most interesting class.

Multiplayer should be fun on day 1. Hundreds of 4-mech parties.

While we're on the topic of classes, does anyone else have zero interest in the commando?

Axton is pretty good. I use him when I play with my friends. The turret is pretty good and this time around its a bit better.

Looks like the Mecromancer is made to be a sort of support class though now, which is pretty cool.

I love playing as axton. His turret is much better than the one in the first borderlands as Jon said. Currently he is my favorite character, that is, until Gaige comes out. I'm really looking forward to trying out her skills.

Hey yall, looks like Gaige will drop later today, or a full day early.

https://twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/255540164959559682

Woot.

Going through the skill names I'm amazed at the My Little Pony references. 20% Cooler, Evil Enchantress, The Stare, Discord, and Potent as a Pony (sort of) all reference MLP. Kinda cool.

It seems everyone who isn't me is obsessed with MLP ;)

But awesome that she's dropping today! Can't wait.

/me not obsessed with MLP. I liked it when I was a young lad i'll admit. Happily not a Brony. That said, I have no aversion to Bronies.

I play Axton as my solo character. The Turret is fun and really helpful while playing solo. Plus, when 5 points are put into it, one of Axton's first tier abilities gives you a +20% gun damage. That's an awesome tier 1 ability!

And WHAT!? Mecromancer drops today!? That's awesome!

I can't believe they released it early! I am so excited to try her out. I won't be able to till tomorrow though, but still, I'm just extremely happy they released her early.

OK, can I just say... The mechromancer is awesome. That is all.

Yeah she really is. Played her tonight in 3 person game to level 9 and she was awesome. Deathtrap is real fun! He is like a much better version of the turret with melee and ranged attacks. Plus he stays on the battle field pretty long compared to other abilities!

Just tried Maya with 3 people and lockdown is DOPE FLY!

The abilities I had were if you kill something in lockdown you get health regen orbs. Really useful in co-op. I also tinkered with the shoot to heal ability, that was fun but at a low level kind of a bullet waste.

Didn't think the new Siren would be good at all, I really like her quite a bit now.

It really is. Early on in my first play through I got a sweet shotgun that was pretty overpowered. Lasted me until y second play through and I finally replaced it with serving better.

Looking forward to Bl2!

If you got the Borderlands GOTY edition its fun to just keep driving to Crawmerax and look for pearl guns once you kill him with an overpowered revolver or what ever gun you fancy

Which DLC was that in? I only sort of started the ClapTrap DLC and I was powered leveled too high so I was out of my league. I am working on the main quest second time through so I am getting better gear.

Power leveling in Borderlands is a bad idea, don't do it.

its was the general knox DLC. Full of all sorts of stuff, and i would suggest you finish the other DL content before finishing the ROBOLUTION :'D

Awesome, thanks for the tip I'll do that!

Thats an awesome picture. :)

A few times NES games would start all glitchy and certain characters would be all scrambled. Taking it out and put it in sort of fixed most of that stuff though.

One time I found a strange error in Link to the Past where if you saved the game after you tempered your sword and created a new game and talked to the soldiers off to the left of the castle in the start when the game was rainy the soldiers spoke all the dialog in the game. I told my cousin and he confirmed it worked for him and I sort of always wanted to send it in to Nintendo Power but never did. Guess I should have then id be rich now or something.

Recently? It seems games hard lock or crash and interesting stuff like that isn't as common in my play throughs as id like.

http://cheerfulghost.com/Tungsten/posts/130 :)

Steam has been great. It's DRM that gamers don't seem to mind. Combine that with Steam Workshop, Steam Sales, easy social/multiplayer capabilities, and it really is a win-win-win.

Borderlands is going to be good: I loved the first one, and it looks like this one is going to be better. Remember, the last one almost got scrapped at one point, and it had a major makeover before being released. This time, they know what they're making from the beginning, and I think they can really emphasize what made the first one great, and fixing what made the first one extremely frustrating at times.

I am not sure id call the digital download locker that is steam DRM. Some games on Steam may have DRM, but that doesn't mean they all do, like Halflife 2 for instance.

I think that having a serious online component to a game doesn't equal DRM. It just means the game is meant to be seriously played online.

I didn't know Borderlands was almost scrapped, cool thing they stuck to it and made it awesome, the game is still great.

Some people have said the Diablo 3 online only requirement is DRM, I don't think it is. Its just a game where they want online to be a major component of it. Its actually a cool thing in my mind that when I am playing Diablo 3 I can see if my friends are and we can chat and join each other if we want.

I am so old school if I had a choice I wouldn't go online and then I would miss out on an opportunity to play with them. Happened a few times in SC2 and it was fun.

The Diablo thing actually became a big pain for me while playing the beta. My connection can be iffy at times, and every once in a while, the game played like it was lagging. I was the only player in the game! That's not to mention when it just booted me entirely.

Ah yeah, that would he a problem. I imagine they are sorting out battle.net issues but if you connection is flakey? That would be bad.

I think they can sort out the battle.net issues cause I've played WoW and SC2 and it's never been a problem for me yet. Don't play them all the time though.

I have faith in Blizzard.

I stopped pirating games long ago, but even now, does it seem like DRM actually stops anyone? From what I can tell, the only people it affects are those who go for the legal copy. 10 minutes after the thing is released, some on has a hacked exe with a keygen ready to go, DRM completely stripped. Shoot, more than once I've been tempted to use a pirated version of a game that I already own just to get around obnoxious installation quotas and disc/internet connection requirements.

I love the minecraft model: pay for the game once and we'll just keep making it better, but that isn't really practical for all games.

The original borderlands was a good example: the normal version of the game is relativley light on the DRM, but the second 2 DLC packs have securom. Not only are the limited number of installations obnoxious, but the software itself is buggy, and can often screw you out of the game just because it doesn't like your optical drive or some other running process.

I have the GOTY Borderlands on my PC, but I never installed those DLC packs because of the securom (that and I got it on Steam Sale, I never really seem to follow through on those things)

Yikes. Securom is lame, hopefully in Borderlands 2 they left it out!

And I don't pirate games either, its not really worth it games are not too expensive and the amount of free stuff is pretty staggering. Mostly I just need more time :)

Looks very interesting. Can't wait to get my hands on it to try her out. That said, Zero, the ninja looking guy, is very compelling too.

Totally.

I played the soldier class in Borderlands, but the Gunzerker class in 2 actually sounds like a lot of fun. I usually lean towards the tank classes in MMO's, so the taunting/tanking elements from gunzerker sound like my play style. :)

But an updated soldier class (the commando) also sounds like a lot of fun. Can't wait!

Awesome. Ill be getting this on the PS3 as well.

I'll definitely be getting this on PS3 as well.

I call the Siren-alike (if there is one)

I think I read somewhere there will be a Siren class, it just won't be the same character that was in Borderlands 1.

I am interested in the "Zero" character. I wasn't drawn to the hunter class so hopefully Zero is more interesting(to me, I know some loved the Hunter).

I started out with Roland and then moved to the Siren. She is pretty fun.

Realize I haven't tried Brick at all. Wonder if he is fun to play as.

Ok so I just watched the trailer again for the third time and I have to say I am ready to joy puke my guts out. Can't wait for the extra wub wub!

I just want to see a full minute at least of Claptrap dancing to dubstep.

Hahhaha yeah that would be awesome. Speaking of, I'm playing he claptrap dlc on the ps3 now. So far, it's fun. I liked the intro puppet movie :)

Claptrap is spreading the wub.
Roland is my favorite from the first game. Regening ammo, grenades, and health is pretty awesome.

The claptrap DLC is fun. Tons, in fact. The claptrap army does get really annoying at times when there are like 20 of them on screen.

Yikes! Having issues playing it. Last time I played was online and I was power leveled a lot because I was a lower level. Now I'm getting my butt kicked because my guns are not that great. Derp! :)

I ran into some issues with balancing due to leveling issues. You could go clear out some easy bases to hopefully get some more guns. I think I had to do that for the Claptrap DLC as well. Or maybe the ... I can't remember. The one where it ended in a massive lootfest that you only had a limited amount of time in.

The claptrap mobs are weak to electric based weapons if that helps. Also make sure you snag any Hellfire SMG's you find (I think I've bought all mine), they tear through just about everything.

Awesome, ill do that. I started back the main campaign and have been getting some sweet loot that is helping.

Drool. D-rool.

I know. The gun reloading was worth the whole viewing!

Yeah, wow. That was kinda rough. I knew the mobs were going to be tough but I'm use to doing closer to 1500 damage with my sniper. Not 10. :P Next time let's try to play something a little closer to our level. I think I have a hunter somewhere around your level for next time.

Good idea. I was constaintly hitting zero and my crit was like 4.

:) Good thing your friends were higher level!

Forgot how awesome this is on the PS3!