Just watched this and came to see if you guys were knee deep in collective drool. I'm glad they appear to be going the more-of-the-same, but-better route. Can't wait for this one!

What I was particularly excited about was the flashbacks to the moments before nuclear fallout, causing me to think that this is going to be a prequel of sorts, much in the same way Bioshock Infinite was to it's series. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually get to play in a pre-apocalypse environment at some point in Fallout 4. Also, the colors. Colors in a Fallout game always excite me :D.

I think part of it too, is just the excitement of being in another environment that Bethesda has created, and that we'll be able to do that relatively soon. I've seen people on other forums talk about how the trailer doesn't look that impressive, that the graphics look dated. Which is fine, if that's your takeaway. Part of my excitement comes just as much from what I'm personally bringing to the trailer viewing: the excitement of another Fallout game, the "built with tweaked Skyrim engine" and the feelings that statement conjures from years drooling over Skyrim, the idea of playing all of this on my couch through my PS4... It's like a mini Christmas :).

I understand your perspective, Jon, you've made great points, but I think I feel excited, like Travis.

I found some other related news articles...

Screenshots: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/check-out-fallout-4-1080p-screenshots-from-the-deb/1100-6427822/

Fallout 3 and New Vegas begin to sell more after Fallout 4 trailer debut: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-4-announcement-helps-fallout-3-sales-rise-/1100-6427805/

2015 expected release date: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-4-release-date-expected-to-land-in-2015/1100-6427803/

Pre-order Fallout 4 for $46: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/get-fallout-4-pc-for-46-via-preorder/1100-6427795/

Announcement: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-4-officially-confirmed-for-pc-xbox-one-ps4/1100-6427776/

How dare you steal my news! Ha! Hahahaha, I'm just kidding. I thought about posting it, but obviously didn't. It's so small and yet the news is huge. I've been waiting for this since November and I am tired of waiting. I'm glad they finally gave us a date, even if it is still a month away.

I'm definitely looking forward to all of the changes that we're aware of, those things alone are going to be awesome, but I bet there may still be some things we may not be aware of yet. At least, at the moment, I don't think we know what achievements have been created.

Anyway, Travis, I like how in the latest Roundtable you said you buy the game when it's on sale so that you can give it to others. That's really cool. You gave me the PC copy that I have, but I've since bought the console and mobile versions as well (one of each).

I didn't think it the mobile version controls were bad, I think I just got used to them. Vinny managed to beat the Wall of Flesh and I think some hardmode bosses as well on it. I like how you can zoom in and use your finger, also having the grid radius is kind of helpful, too. It seems you can only play via wireless network with friends that are nearby. My complaint with the mobile version is that the world is way too small and you can't change it. I did fight Lepus, which was difficult because it kept spawning more copies.

The PS3 controls take some getting used to, too. It also seems to have some exclusive content. You can also play two-player split-screen.

Ok, Travis, I have a big request for the next Terraria server. I want the Cheerful Ghost house to be bigger, much bigger than it has been. I always build a huge place, enough to house all NPCs that can move in. I also always add more space to even the place out and for storing things like chests, statues, and banners. I also have at least one room for my crafting area. I do this on my single player worlds and it's something I'd like to see on the next server world.

The reason i say this is because I remember the last (and first-for-me) time we played on a server, there was a small CG house with a few chests in it. I kept storing items there so that anyone could take freely. The problem with that was that the space was very limited, I needed more chests! Perhaps I should have stored more items in my own place, but I liked having those community chests and being able to use them with others.

When should we create an event for this? Is it going to be our GotMC for July? Still, an event could be created and edited at any time.

Also, should we try out the new multiplayer features using Steam or get a hosted server? Perhaps we could try the new features and then get a server if that doesn't work out as well for us.

We need some more people in this conversation.

That's quite true, Travis, I hadn't really thought about when TShock would update. I wonder how long that will take.

9 days, isn't it amazing? It feels like we've waited oh so terribly long for this update. I seriously doubt any of us will be at all disappointed. But, yes, I'm still counting down the days, anyone else doing the same?

The only things I can really think of that I'd like to see in Terraria seem to me like things that could perhaps be possible, but I doubt they'll happen. I'd like to see a big world containing both the Crimson and Corruption. It'd be cool if they even created a new extra large world size for this. It would also be very cool if they could get the world to wrap, like it does in Starbound.

The thing about the latest update (pre-1.3) is that I've only played it once. It was that time with our last server. So, fishing and Duke Fishron remind me of that time. I miss it! I miss fishing in the game and joining some of you guys in the game. It was very fun and I can't wait until we get started again with the new update.

So, is there anything (like I mentioned) that you'd like to see? What are you most looking forward to with 1.3? As for me, I'm just looking forward to pretty much all of the new stuff. I can't quite wrap my head around the Portal gun. I'm not sure how it will work and how effective it will be, but I'm guessing I'll be surprised.

It seems as though they could connect the oceans. I'm not sure how it is technically on their side, if that is a possibility. I wonder if they've thought of it or tried it.

What you suggest with the bosses sounds like a good idea. I'm not really sure how that would happen though. To summon many of the bosses, you need materials from that bosses's biome. If the biome isn't there, then you don't really have much to craft something. Although, it would be cool if perhaps they introduced something that was biome-neutral that could be used.

I was kind of disappointed that we got Crimson on the first server I played because the grand majority of my PC experience with Terraria has been pretty much exclusively Crimson. There may have been a couple of times I created a world that had the Corruption instead, but I barely played those worlds. However, that experience is the opposite with the mobile version of the game. With that version, I've only gotten Corruption worlds.

It kind of sucks that you can only get one of the two in one world, but it also gives you a reason to create another world to explore. It'd be cool, too, if some how the Portal Gun could transfer you to another world so you could go back and forth between Corruption and Crimson.

Anyway, I'm cool with "re-rolling until we get corruption." There are only a few disadvantages to that, though. First, there's the lesser chance of getting Vampire Knives, which we could steal from another world. Granted, there's a chance that chest will be there even on a Corruption world. Also, can we still make a Golden Shower in Corruption? I think one of the main ingredients (ichor) comes from a Crimson monster. The other drawback is the pickaxe. I think I read recently that the Crimson's pickaxe is better than the Corruption's, though I wouldn't consider that a significant setback.

We could put it up to a vote when we create the event and have some other players. Jon, are you actually going to play with us this time? Last time you just popped in briefly, you were missed. I'm sure Tim will join us again, but I'm wondering if we can grab some more people. Scrypt seems like a Terraria-virgin, so I wonder if we could some how get him hooked. Hehehe. Anyway, I think it'll be cool, I can't wait!

This move is basically an overnight regime change, so revolt and unrest isn't at all surprising. If this system had been implemented with a new game, it would likely be largely received in a positive light. The biggest problem today, is that current game states, for people using mods which now require payment, is broken. To fix it, and continue the game you've already been playing, you have to pay more money. Keeping in mind that we've been playing a modified game, without any license or guarantee, and we aren't owed anything (that's the risk of using mods), this abrupt change in economy still seems really irresponsible on the part of Valve and Bethesda, and reeks a bit of opportunistic greed.

I can't tell if most people upset by this are simply users or actual modders, but the arguments seem to swing from "Why should I pay for something I've used for years without paying?" to "This will ruin the existing modding scene?" Both seem unconcerned with the fact that modding a game is a privilege, not a right, set forward by the games original creator. It's a wildly amazing part of geek culture, and I'm grateful for it. If anyone is going to profit off of mods, though, the original content creator should recieve the bulk of the revenue. People are contrasting this current revenue split with that of the Apple App Store, and they are two completely different models. The 75% split going to the devs on the App Store is for content they are creating from scratch (theoretically), not modified content of someone elses creation. Not to mention that the discretion is on the modder to charge for the mod (a little publicized fact). They can still offer mods for free, but if they want to start charging for derivative content, then the curators and IP creators should get a proportional cut. Bethesda could have forced every modder to charge for mods, but they didn't.

Reminds me of this enlightening scene in Tombstone: https://youtu.be/JJ79nNquQ0c

(from http://garry.tv/2015/04/24/paying-for-mods/) ...but it’s the modder’s work that is making the money

Is it the modders mod that's making the money, or is it the original IP that drives that market? People aren't commissioning artists to paint Spider-man, simply because they are great artists. They are also, and more prominantly, paying for a composition of the character, one of which the artist likely had absolutely no hand in creating. If I'm laying the groundwork, and someone else is making more money than me because of my work, is that fair?

Now, I would totally think it logical that Valve should get less of a cut, since they really don't do much but offer convenience of execution. As of now, reportedly, the modder gets more than half of what Bethesda gets. That's totally fair. Maybe Valve should only get 15%, leaving the modder with 35% and Bethesda with 50%. Would that be better?

Skyrim is more than a framework, it's a finished house. Unreal Engine is nothing without the games that come from it. Skryim will always be Skyrim (I hope), mods are superfluous to the Skyrim experience. Fun, and some even genius, but in the end, superfluous.

"If I'm laying the groundwork, and someone else is making more money than me because of my work, is that fair?"

I heard this the other day and it seemed good. Not really what you mean, but it's about fairness and thinking about others having enough. For me, I am not as worried about Bethesda and want to see mod creators get a nicer slice.

Would you think it more fair that there was a sliding scale of profit distribution the more successful a product is, essentially taking responsibility away from the creator to be fair, and placing a restriction on excess profits? Isn't that basically capitalism vs. socialism? Is that what this is all about?

But, as you said, Travis, it's new content within the context of Skyrim. Without the context of Skyrim, that mod would be irrelevant. A new bathroom added to a house may increase the overall value of a house, but, without the house, that bathroom is fairly useless. Unless you're camping :).

Basically what I'm saying is that Bethesda or whoever could just release an unfinished game (which while I loved Skyrim, it kinda was unfinished), and rake in profits while others finish it for them.

That's a funny position, because that's what some feel the industry suffering from at the moment, only It's being done without mods (most Early Access, Destiny, Sim City, Battlefield 4, etc.). "Unfinished" also seems highly subjective these days. Most of my friends have put hundreds of hours into Skyrim. Unfinished or not, it's playable, and quite enjoyable. If Destiny supported mods, I would be ecstatic, and yet I've put hundreds of hours into it. Destiny is a proof of concept, and not much more than that. Should someone else be able to make a living helping to finish the game, without the consent from, or payment going to Bungie? Some would say "Hell, yes!", but I would argue, no. Make your own game. Look at Star Wars. In my opinion, Lucas did horrible things to his creation, but ultimately it's his creation and he can do whatever he wants with it. Yes, I think there may be cultural responsibilities, but in the end it's his art. Money has changed hands, licenses transferred, and now we are getting a Star Wars that we really want (hopefully) ;).

The house building analogy isn't perfect. Obviously, contractors are hired to build specific additions, not given tools to do what they want and then compensated retroactively based on an arbitrary scale. However, when the house eventually goes to market and sells, that bathroom contractor won't see a dime of the sale profits.

A game creator does not have to support the modding community. As I said before, this is a privilege subject to the terms of the original IP holder. Mods created outside of consent of the original creator is a breach of copyright law. Jon's comment about anyone being able to cover another artists song and not having to get permission, is only partly true. Performance of someone else's work in public is technically an infringement on copyright law, and the license holder could definitely take action. It's done so often and so widely that it's near impossible to police, but that doesn't necessarily make it okay.

We're not really arguing what's best for Bethesda, or their fans, but rather the viability of this new system, and the timing of it. To think that this will substantially change the modding community is silly, I think, and people that are taking reactionary actions are essentially protecting their own interests (and that's fine). Funny, though, that Modder A is understood, even lauded, in their actions to take down mod content because they don't want anyone else profiting off of their work, and yet Bethesda is being chastised for wanting a share in a completely optional system, if anyone cares to participate, but basically following the same principle. I don't understand that. Money isn't evil, nor is wanting compensation for work. Saying that Bethesda hasn't done any work, in regards to these mods, is missing the point. These mods would not exist without Bethesda's blessing, and Bethesda holds the rights.

What if this system was implemented with Camera Obscura (which, as of now, has a total of 2 Steam Workshop files) instead of Skyrim?

Also, @jdodson but I am not sure what I think when someone wants to lock what they do down and not allow any outside contributions to it. That's an interesting statement. Feelings aside, do you think they should have the right to do this?

I still don't know what you're arguing with "Bethesda holds the rights." Nobody has disputed that.

I thought one of the primary arguments was compensation, and how it should be divided, not whether this was good for the fans. My arguments concerning Bethesda as a copyright holder point toward the rationale of them getting a bigger cut than someone building a modification to their game (finished, or otherwise).

That was essentially my argument, that, I feel, it is fair, contrary to what's being said. Specifically as it concerns the contrast to what App Store vendors make. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/04/24/dayz-creator-weighs-in-on-paid-skyrim-mods-your-turn-rockstar/

Ugh. As a human I don't know how to seperate feelings from myself because they are part of my experience. Some say they can do it and I think they are not being accurate.

I hope you stay away from serving on a jury! :D

This might be getting off topic, but your pull quote explains exactly how the copyright laws protect creativity; by giving "exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." This isn't like programming, where open-source is a cool thing. "Open source" art isn't generally considered cool, especially among struggling artists. Working from inspiration and getting better at your craft by learning from someone else's work is an entirely different conversation.

For the record, Defense Council Travis, did you read this article before making that last comment? http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/04/24/dayz-creator-weighs-in-on-paid-skyrim-mods-your-turn-rockstar/

I don't want to argue semantics, either. That sounds exhausting! ;)

I think it will work itself out to a good spot eventually (hopefully, maybe) but damn did they ever pick a bad game to start this experiment.

100% Agreed.

I'm betting, and this could be me being totally naive, that once Galaxy drops from GoG, you might see Valve a little more active on maintenance front. That level of a competing product, I hope, would be taken seriously by Valve. I'd like to see Riot form a relationship with GoG. I doubt it will happen, but that would be a fun, big deal ;). Now I'm getting way off topic!

I've never gone directly to Valve for support issues. I usually surf for answers on the web. Maybe I've never had a serious enough issue, but then I rarely, if ever, go to software companies for tech support. I don't know why. It might be more helpful if I did (or not, as the case may be).

I believe I signed up for the Galaxy beta, but never heard anything from GoG. I'm really anxious to try it out, as that's the only reason a lot of my GoG games have gone uninstalled. It's a sad excuse, I know, but there it is.

Wouldn't you just have to chalk that up to the risk of using mods? I don't think that QA could have helped. The fact that the game states haven't been transferable between modded and natural games is evident of that. Who would you hold responsible for that?

I'm sure they understood that save games could break, but what could they have done to prevent that from happening (aside from, of course, not implementing this system)?

I don't know how I feel about so-called "remix culture." Frankly, I think it's weird that everything has an index these days; an ism, or a culture, or genre, or whatever the next thing is. I don't really buy his whole talk either, for some reason. Good art and creativity tend to come out of adversity. The poignancy of message is lost when the struggle for art is watered down to the point where no message can even take hold. Personally, I'm not a fan of sampling, even though I like some songs that use it. I remember watching the Grammys one year ( I think it was the Grammys), and Sean Combs was on stage with Sting, and they did some weird mash-up of Every Breath You Take, with Combs rapping during what would be the verses... It was a sad moment for me. I suppose you could argue that it was creative, but to me it just looked like bad art, and a poor representation of each of those artists abilities. Remixing the works of existing art can sometimes bring about cool things, I guess, but often it just comes off as uninspired. As a creator, why would I want to literally base my work on someone else's? Then there is the misrepresentation of the original artist; how often is credit given to the original work in these remixes?

I'll have to watch Lessig's talk a couple more times. I didn't see anything in there about laws choking creativity, which I'm not sure is even possible.

After watching through a couple more times, I think I'm even more confused. I feel like Lessig is insinuating the stifling of creativity, but what he's really talking about is the stifling of innovation, which makes a lot more sense to me. Opening user generated content up for business should be the title of the talk (it's his opening statement). His examples don't seem to hold water, either. Did ASCAP suffer because BMI offered free music, or due to boycott because of an attempt at outrageous increases in licensing fees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCAP_boycott), which would be a much different story.

An argument could also be made that such uses of remixing or free access have actually hindered creativity, at least in some respects. Pieces become rehashes of rehashes to the point where we're just living in a loop of regurgitated art (this is basically why 'hipsters' are a thing). It's innovative, but not really creative. When everyone has access to everything all the time, the landscape tends to look uniform, the past and the present blur, and then how are you left to express yourself?

Why does the date on that article say April 26, 2011? What is the criteria for posting on PC Gamer? It reads more like a blog post. He doesn't really make any points as to why he should get paid as a modder, only that he deserves it because he works hard, while mocking the companies that allow modding in the first place. In fact, at one point he basically is just telling the reader to abandon opinion, and agree that modders deserve to get paid. That's not a good article.

Looks like they're pulling it: http://steamcommunity.com/games/SteamWorkshop/announcements/detail/208632365253244218

That was kind of an intense two-day roller coaster! Now, we're right back where we started, except there is this thing that happened, which will hopefully come back in a better way. It feels like it was all a dream...

Just picked it up. I probably won't be on tonight but I will try and at least get it installed. :D

Wow, super cheap! Thanks for the heads up!

:(

Godd@mnit. I missed it. That really sucks.

I couldn't do it until today. So sad! They'll do it again.

They... have to...

Considering how many high profile games have been launched with game breaking bugs in the last year, yeah, take all the time you need Rockstar.

That said, I'm really excited to see heists are finally coming! If anyone on PS3 needs help getting geared up/ready for heists, I'd gladly meet up with you to run through some missions/jobs/races/whatever for fun and profit.

Oddly enough, I don't feel disappointed. I remember how eager I was to get the game on the PS3 and if it kept getting delayed like this, I would have been disappointed. However, I still have it, so if I wanted to play it right now I could. Instead, I've been playing a handful of different games lately, therefore I see this news as giving me more time to play them. That includes the PC version of San Andreas, which I got by pre-ordering the PC version of GTAV. Since I pre-ordered and they're giving me even more in-game cash, I'm going to be rich!!!! One other thing I like about this news (as opposed to other games I'm waiting to get an update for), at least Rockstar is giving us some dates, even if that date keeps changing.

Yesterday, GTAV for the PC became available for pre-loading for those of us who pre-ordered it. I've never pre-loaded a game before, until now. The game will be available next Tuesday. I think it's interesting to notice that the download is a whopping 59 gigs, which surprised me and makes me think it's the biggest game I've ever seen. I obviously didn't pay much attention to the hard drive space requirements when it said it requires at least 65 gigs. Apparently the PS4 and XBox One versions require 50 gigs. I'm glad to see that those systems seem to have 500 gig hard drives. I'm also happy that my PC has a near 3TB hard drive, so the space requirement for the game isn't a big deal for me. It's just taking a long time to download. I had to pause the download earlier as I noticed it was creating lag in my Diablo III:RoS game play.

I know this game is awesome because I played it on the PS3 and I've noticed how incredibly popular it has become since it's original release. It was, after all, greatly anticipated. I am hoping that the controls on the PC are great. It's been a long time since I played GTAIV on the PC, so I don't recall how well it worked with they keyboard and mouse. I have played San Andreas in recent months, a GTAV pre-order bonus, and I was not impressed with they keyboard and mouse game play. So, I have high hopes for GTAV. I'm also hoping that it will work nicely with the XBox 360 controller I have for my PC, if they keyboard and mouse set up doesn't work as well.

I will, Jon! I noticed that the retail version contains 7 discs. I thought it would have been on Blu-Ray discs, but it seems to be on DVDs, but you're right, most PCs probably don't have Blu-Ray. I, for one, didn't choose to get a Blu-Ray drive on my PC.

On a side question, with you being on the PC version are you able to join our Cheerful Ghost crew? I don't know if crews are console exclusive.

I'm glad you mentioned that, Tim. It seems that none of the versions of the game are able to work cross-platform, which is a shame because I'd love to join the CG crew. This does tempt me to create a PC version of the crew and hopefully some day you and others will join me. It will probably be a long time before I get into the online aspect of the game, which I barely spent time with on the PS3. I do know that I can bring a copy of my character over, which is great because I like how he turned out (visually). If I find any information about cross-platform online game play, I'll let you know, and I'll try to see if it works or if it ever will.

Awesome, I saw a brief bit of that last night on another site. The game will be available tomorrow at 7PM (EST). I'm looking forward to "whoa" moments as I know my PC is going to handle it sweetly, even though I'll miss out on the 4k resolution.

I played very briefly today since I wanted to get in and out so that I could get GeForce Experience to optimize the game for me. What very little of it I played looked simply awesome and that was before GeForce Experience optimized it for me (increasing many of the settings because of my GPU). I don't recall being able to go into first-person mode on the PS3 version, but it's been a long time since I've played it and I only played through it once. Initial movement was done with WASD keys and I noticed that the configuration has a controller option, though I haven't tried that yet. It may be a while before I jump into it deeper due to (in short) time management, game juggling, and other interests. I may report more in the future.

Even while driving, Travis? I played a bit more today. I made it to Franklin's house and saved my game. I'm tempted to try out the controller, I think it might make moving around easier. I obviously haven't played very much, but in what little I did, it seems that they keyboard and mouse controls are definitely much better than GTA: San Andreas. Still, there are a lot of keys usable. For instance, triggering a character's special ability uses the CAPS LOCK key, while switching between characters is the left ALT key.

Today I decided to try out the controller. The one I have is a USB XBox 360 controller that's clear and lights up blue, I bought it specifically for my "new" PC, although I've hardly used it. I thought using a controller with the game would make moving about more fluid and I think I was right. I also thought a controller would simplify the controls, I think I was right again. I was surprised because, after plugging in the controller and starting the game, it recognized the controller instantly and could tell that I was using it, so it displayed the controls for it instead of the keyboard. I did start a new game with it.

The game does look and feel great, although I must admit there were a few times where the game lagged a bit. I know I don't have the best hardware that's currently out there, although my PC is very close. For anyone interested, my PC is an Alienware Aurora-R4 with a 3.7Ghz Intel i7-4820k with 16GB of RAM, and a GTX 690.

That bit of lag I experienced makes me feel like my PC isn't up to par with the game and is disappointing. Perhaps I should try with a fresh reboot and running fewer programs (I usually have Chrome and Steam up at least). I saw where the game also shined with the latest GPUs (specifically noticed the Geforce one) and an SLI configuration. That nearly tempts me, but I don't think I'll do any upgrading for a while. I'm not even going to think about it until some time after my warranty expires.

After a bit of research ("Googling"), I found out that I'm not the only one who's noticed some frame rate drops at times. Many people with various hardware and various graphics settings have experience this issue. So, it is my thought that it could be an issue with the game. Some people say that the game isn't playable, but that isn't the case for me. It happens sometimes, but not too much where I can't play it.

I ran the in-game benchmark and my PC performed quite well on almost every scene. There was one scene that started slow, but then jumped back up to where it should have been. All other scenes performed quite well, although the game didn't give me a final report.

So, I decided to do some benchmarking on my own and I'm quite impressed with what I found out. I downloaded the 3DMark demo from Steam and ran the 64-bit version of Firestrike, which is for high performance Windows gaming PCs running DirectX11. The report from that benchmark is spectacular! My PC performed better than 93% of all results. Here is a link for the results, I'm hoping you can access it: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4596441