This sounds very cool. I never finished Shadow of Mordor, but I enjoyed that game a lot. Now building on that gameplay sounds awesome!
Yeah, Shadow of War is a bit of an upgrade, there's more to do. I spent almost 73 hours in Shadow of Mordor and 99 in Shadow of War. I enjoyed it. I even decided to re-watch the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings trilogies. Shadow of Mordor got me addicted to the game play and I loved continuing it in Shadow of War, but Shadow of War had a few issues. If you read this review, good for you and thank you. I know it's very long and I didn't format it nicely.
These games are now more relevant due to LotR: Rings of Power on Amazon. Celebrimbor is a main character, so I'm very familiar with him. I'm so glad to see him in the flesh (pun intended!). The show is great and now I want to replay these games.
> Let me know what you think about this.
Looks like a visually and stylistically fresh take on The Matrix. It's not too modern, but modern enough. I'm going to see this for sure.
That said, I have no idea what this is beyond The Matrix again?
> Are you a fan of The Matrix?
Yeah, very much. Re-watched the trilogy a few months ago.
> What did you think of the trilogy?
The first movie is a massive cultural milestone. It has a bit of "90's goof" but I love camp so it's awesome. I used to really _HATE_ the sequels but recently I've come around on that and find them to be pretty good. I agree with some recent takes on the sequels, they should be viewed as one complete film as they were shot back to back and really are.
> Have you seen The Animatrix?
Many times. I'd rate it the second best Matrix movie.
I think it looks "modern," but maybe I don't understand your definition. Yeah, this does seem like "The Matrix again." Remember (spoilers!) Neo formed a truce with the machines and gave up his body. We see images of that in this trailer. It also seems as though someone is watching The Matrix via screen projection.
I don't know about "90's goof," I never felt that, but I really enjoyed it. I didn't hate the sequels, but it seems sequels never live up to the original. The movies are a true sequential trilogy, though.
I'm massively impressed you've seen and loved The Animatrix! I don't know of anyone else that has seen it.
One thing I wanted to note is that I love Neil Patrick Harris's glasses (obviously, because they're blue!). However, I came to believe they're specifically blue. This wasn't some random color the costume designers chose, they're blue as in "blue pill." I think that's real fitting (and an original thought). The blue pills make a seriously obvious come back, but we do later get to see the choice to be made again (red vs. blue).
Thanks for posting this reply, because I just posted my Shadow of War review and it looks like it pushed this down. I wanted this to have the attention, because I'm sure others here want to see this, too.
I really loved the first matrix. I thought the other two were fun, but donāt remember much from them. I have watched some of the animatrix if not all.
This trailer slaps and kind of makes me want to see it in the theater.
I agree with everything Will has said here lol. Loved the first, the sequels were fun, but not great, and I'm familiar with the Animatrix, but still need to sit down and watch all of it.
And the trailer looks amazing. I have a feeling we're going to go into the movie thinking it's soft reboot, and they're going to subvert expectations very satisfyingly. š
I never disliked the Matrix sequels but they werenāt what I expected at the time. My rewatches were always better than the first time seeing them in theaters.
The Matrix was my favorite film for a while, it was the first DVD I bought when I got a DVD rom for my PC.
In a lot of ways I think the animatrix and the video game between Reloaded and Revelations are required to really feel like you have a full understanding of what the whole world is all about, which is great for people who dive into all of that but not for those who didnāt. For example I only found out this week that Morpheus is canonically dead because of the events of the Matrix Online, and the Wachowski sisters consider that fully part of canon.
Though it seems like in this revision of the Matrix, Yahyaās character is a new Morpheus.
Anyway yes I am super into this trailer and I hope covid has died down enough by late December so I can see this in theaters. But either way Iām watching it many times Iām sure.
Yay, Travis finally spoke up! I was waiting for that! :) I remember when we were college roommates. In my memory, I still have an image of seeing that Matrix DVD and I remember us watching it, maybe at least once. I don't recall if I saw it in theaters, but I think maybe so. I had already graduated high school by the time it came out and was in community college.
I don't recall a "Matrix Online" though I've recently seen that it existed. I think the one I was familiar with was Enter the Matrix, which I'm sure I saw in the database here. I think I remember it came out on all three consoles at the time; GameCube, XBox, and PS2 (I still have all three). I specifically remember seeing it for the GameCube. I don't recall if I played it though. I may have played a little bit of it, but not enough to get any story out of it. I seem to remember Niobe.
That's odd that Morpheus is canonically dead, because of the the events of The Matrix Online. I guess that's a bit of the Matrix lore I missed out on. And yes, it's been confirmed Yahya is indeed playing a younger version of Morpheus, if his style wasn't obvious enough. He confirmed it on Twitter.
Once again, New Rockstars (on YouTube) has a great trailer breakdown and analysis.
Yeah I played Enter the Matrix back in the day and loved it. Gameplay wasā¦ basically just ok but the story was great. You remember correctly, Niobe was a big part.
Thinking about playing it again if I can get it to run on modern hardware
Cool, man! I was about to ask about "modern hardware," but I decided to Google my question, I didn't know it's also a PC game. I'm just not sure where to buy it, I don't see it on Steam, not that that's the only place to buy games...
I think it was only sold physically and then basically forgotten. I still have my discs from back in the day
I have Enter the Matrix on the original Xbox. My guess is Atari didn't keep the license so they no longer can release it.
Oh, cool! I have an XBox, but the only game I have for it is Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Looks like it averages around $6 used in box: https://www.pricecharting.com/game/xbox/enter-the-matrix
That sounds good! There's a site I've never heard of before, too!
New trailer! This one looks very interesting as it shows the parallels between this and the first movie. It talks about making "copies" and deja vu, "it happens when they change something." This month is an awesome month for movies! It looks like I'll be going twice this month. The last time I saw two movies in the same month was probably decades ago. Check it out: https://youtu.be/IgYs_NDyaLs
I hope the movie starts with the end of 3, and the matrix physically reboots itself. Maybe put a boot up screen for credits, and then we start with this reboot!
Awesome ideas!
Here's a new trailer: https://youtu.be/nNpvWBuTfrc
Looks like Matrix is borrowing from MST3K in the new movie and providing commentary on the old movie. I hope for a lot of funny!
Everyone lives in the shadow of Mystery Science Theater 3000 š¤£
Thank goodness this movie is streaming, because my theater isn't playing it. They're only playing Spider-Man: No Way Home and Encanto, the latter is one I know nothing of. I can't blame them for continuing to play Spider-Man: No Way Home. That was without a doubt the best movie of the year, maybe even the best Spider-Man movie ever!
Yeah I'm glad it's streaming because I feel like it launched right at the window where I no longer want to go to the theater anymore. We were planning to go see this and Spider-Man next week in theaters but covid is at peak levels in VA now, back like it was last January before the vaccines were really available. And this damn hypercontagious omicron variant seems to be able to defeat a lot of defenses.
I think the best word to describe this movie is "meta" (and I don't mean that new Facebook company). I enjoyed it. If you're a Matrix fan, I don't think you should pass this up.
Agreed, it's quite meta. At first it was a bit much and I was wondering how meta or how deep the rabbit hole would go. In fact, the movie doesn't even quite know then they sort of answer everything and it loses a bit of the magic. That said, it's a great film I just wished it sort of broke out of the Matrix and did a huge left turn but in the end it didn't and I'm actually really happy with what we got.
That post credit scene wasn't great. Honestly felt like they could have done better there.
It was a movie that we didnāt need, it didnāt really add anything to the Matrix lore or anything like that, but it was fun and something I imagine Iāll rewatch. Lana Wachowski said this was a catharsis for her, kinda going back to a comfort project to help her deal with some things in life, and it shows. Itās definitely a comfort movie.
There are no plans for this to be the start of a new trilogy but Iād kinda like to see that.
I like the new stuff, but Iām disappointed with Campaign mode. JWE felt like a long game. Steam is telling me Iāve spent about 247 hours playing it. I know I went through itās Campaign probably three times. In order to progress to the next map in JWE, you have to achieve a 3 or 5 star rating for your park. JWE2ās Campaign mode doesnāt even touch this subject. It doesnāt show you things you need to achieve any rating for your park such as amenities. It doesnāt even show you all the cool new additions like the aquatic stuff.
JWEās 3 or 5 star progression necessity takes time and strategy. This actually makes it fun and prolongs the Campaign. At the same time it also makes the game a bit boring, because youāre often waiting for something to complete (like egg incubation). Fortunately, thereās a great mod that gives you time controls. JWE2 includes this as a feature. JWE2ās Campaign mode only lasts for a few hours. Itās fun, but once I reached that point I was left unsatisfied. An interesting way to look at this though is JWEās Campaign centered on the archipelago named āLas Cinco Muerte,ā which means āThe Five Deaths.ā Isla Nublar and Isla Sorna are recognizable as they are in the movies. Each island is a new map, although some islands actually have more than one playable area, especially if you have the story DLC.
JWE2 does have 5 maps. They are Arizona, Washington (state), Pennsylvania, Oregon, and Yosemite National Park in California. However, instead of working towards the goal of a park rating, you just have to finish story missions. Those missions are pretty much chasing dinos to put them in an enclosure and thatās about it. Thatās pretty much the extent of each map, just in different biomes.
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JWE2 introduces Chaos Theory mode and it seems to be much closer to JWEās game play. The point of Chaos Theory mode is revisiting the setting of each movie and doing something different. On the Lost World map, you actually get to build and run the San Diego park, which never got a chance in the movie. It was introduced and the Rexes were supposed to go there, but it didnāt quite work out.
The first map, Jurassic Park, is quite similar to JWEās DLC titled āReturn to Jurassic Park.ā That was a fun DLC. The voice acting was great, because you could tell one of the characters sounded much younger. Itās main mission is to fix the park and get it back up and running. It gave us Jurassic Park variations of the buildings in the game. JWE2ās Jurassic Park Chaos Theory mode is similar, but more like a nearly complete tutorial. The only reason I say it isnāt complete is because it doesnāt include things that were not in JP such as the aviary and aquatics. I havenāt finished this one, but Iām quite sure thatās the case. Iām quite sure the mission Iām working on now is the final part of it. Iām not sure how the other maps for the other movies work, but so far Chaos Theory seems to be a great new feature that isnāt disappointing.
I may write a full review of JWE2 after I play more. I just wanted to share my initial thoughts here. I canāt decide how to rate this on Steam. I want to give a positive rating, because I love the game, but my thoughts about it are negative simply because of the brevity of itās Campaign mode.
Ok, so, Dr Strange was acting super strange here...
The spell he cast was way too dangerous. Is he incompetent, or is he too full of himself?
Or is he an evil variant of some kind...
OR IS HE MEPHISTO??? Lol, hear me out. Why was the Sanctum frozen? Could it be that the place would burn up in Mephisto's presence? Mephisto made a deal with Peter in the comics (I think it was about Peter's wife? I don't remember). Perhaps this is Peter, unknowingly, making a deal with the devil?
Looks good. I think Agnes is behind strange.
Finally!!! I think the green grenade (I'm sure that was what it was) confirms Green Goblin. That laugh sounds like the previous Green Goblin (the dad, not Harry, the son) from the Toby Maguire Spider-verse, which wouldn't be a surprise. We obviously see Doc Oc and we've been told that Electro is appearing, too.
I'm not sure about the theories Adam and Will_Ball suggested. I'm not sure why Strange would cast that spell either, which does seem a bit suspicious. It is odd that the Sanctum was frozen, maybe we'll get the answer to that, too.
I agree that Dr Strange does act ratherā¦. STRANGEā¦. š„
That said, I am not sure theyād do the same thing they did in the last Spider-Man in the next Spider-Man? Itās possible he may be a more evil variant but that seems very similar to the last Spider-Man too.
Either way, should be a fun ride.
Here are some of my own theories. Buckle up.
Ok so what I think is happening here is that Doctor Strange got a note from Disney chair Alan Horn. The memo was essentially āDOC STRANGE PLEASE MESS UP TIME SUCH THAT WE CAN SELL MORE TOYS AND TIE IN MORE TV SHOWSā and I bet Doctor Strange said no. Then Alan Horn made the writers of No Way Home FREEZE OUT the Sanctum because we all know that Disney NEEDS A MCU Christmas movie and to make Doctor Strange cold such that he changes the timeline to be warm.
Ok so what I think happens next is that Green Goblin comes to the MCU from the Gameboy game but his bombs are green instead of the dot matrix pixel grey. Also, Toby Maguire is obviously in this because if you freeze on the last frame of the trailer where they advertise PS5 controllers in the upper right you can clearly see a white pixel. Since Toby McGuire is white this is clearly one pixel of him as Spider-Man.
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LOL Well I did find out that the movie does appear to be at least similar to one of the Spider-Man comics in which Mephisto helps him by making everyone forget who Spider-Man is. This came from watching the New Rockstars reaction to the trailer. Maybe Marvel is just teasing us with Mephisto, maybe he'll show up eventually. Also, how does Doc Oc recognize this Peter Parker? I'm also wondering why Peter was on top of a car and then activates his suit. Wasn't he trying to hide his identity or did he just not care and knew he was heading in to fight someone? I'm wondering what's up w/ the train scene, too, as it seems Spidey is fighting Doctor Strange, or rather Doctor Strange seems to be trying to kill Spidey.
> Also, how does Doc Oc recognize this Peter Parker?
Heās wearing a Spider-Man suit?
> I'm wondering what's up w/ the train scene, too, as it seems Spidey is fighting Doctor Strange, or rather Doctor Strange seems to be trying to kill Spidey.
CIVIL WAR 2!
Slashfilm had a good speculation that when Doctor Strange casts the spell, he also forgets who spider-man is. It would explain why in the trailer he seems to be fighting spider-man.
Then again, maybe spider-man wants out of the MCU so he can start his own universe and it angers Doctor Strange, so he fights him.
>Heās wearing a Spider-Man suit?
Yeah, but just because he's wearing a Spidey suit (and white I should add), doesn't mean he's Peter Parker.
Will_Ball that totally makes sense! When I watched the New Rockstars reaction, they didn't mention it, but seeing it for the second time, I thought, wouldn't Doctor Strange also forget him? So, that makes sense, though I'm kind of not sure why they'd still fight. Maybe they're not fighting, or if they are then there's definitely a reason.
I'm surprised they didn't show Electro, though I heard there was lightning in the original leaked trailer. I'm surprised that instead of Electro they teased Green Goblin. I also think it's interesting to see that Doctor Strange seems to have a major role in this. So, it seems Sony is adopting more of the MCU than I expected. I thought Doctor Strange was just going to make a brief cameo, but it looks like that assumption was wrong.
Ok, I need to point out an error on my part. There was lightning in the trailer, I didn't quite notice or pay attention to it until I watched the New Rockstars trailer breakdown. It appears there's some dust clouds, too, which might mean the return of the Sand Man. The Lizard appears to be there, too, though it's difficult to see him. While the actors have denied it, the fact that we're seeing Spider-Man villains from different universes kind of makes one wonder why couldn't other Spider-Mans appear as well? I have so many questions about this movie now, because of this trailer that I'm probably looking forward to it even more now, because I want to find out the answers.
As much as I'd prefer not to, I may just have to go to the theater to see these movies. Shang-Chi comes out next Friday (not this week, but next week).
But will we see dancing Toby from Spider-Man 3?
Boycot unless dancing Toby shows
It seems a lot of people didn't like that Spider-Man movie, I feel like one of the very few who did. Granted, I haven't seen it in many years and so my memories of it have faded, with few exceptions.
I think it was fine, but had a lot of cringey moments that pulled it down. You could tell Sony was interfering with Raimiās vision for it so they could force venom into it
I donāt remember 3 all that much. I remember I liked it when it came out.
What to see the BEST trailer ever?! Check it out: https://youtu.be/83N0Bbas3E8
Iād make a new post for this trailer.
Kinda getting Die Hard feels from this š
Yup. Looks good.
Ew, I don't like Christmas. It's the most *not* wonderful time of the year, IMO. Adam's right about his Die Hard comment. I haven't dived into the Marvel comics, so I didn't know who Kate was until I played Marvel's Avengers. She also goes by "Hawkeye." I thought she was Clint's daughter, but she's simply a fan. They have an interesting relationship, though, or at least I think it's interesting. I like Kate in the game and she looks cool here, too.
I had to pause to see because the clip goes by so quickly, but I noticed a woman in red with black hair and a wine glass at a dinner table. She is Vera Farmiga and was in Godzilla: King of the Monsters. I really like her because she looks like someone I know (there's a bit more to it than that, but I'm just going to keep it simple here).
Thanks for sharing! Now I'm going to go have a Christmas barf.
Lol! Christmas is my favorite time of year, but if it's not yours, I'm really sorry about how long the season lasts!
One minor detail I saw I the trailer that's probably nothing, but in the Rogers musical, it looks like Loki is wearing a mask, and I want it to me a nod to The Mask with Jim Carrey lol
Yeah, sorry to crap on your favorite time, I meant no offense to you. I guess that's part of why I didn't get into it and decided against saying what I wanted to. Funny, too, how I said your comment about Die Hard was right, but I thought Jon posted this, I later realized you did. So many details, so little I've paid attention to.
I only saw Cap in that musical, everything went by so fast. The Mask was awesome!!!! In fact, it was "smokin'!"
> Now I'm going to go have a Christmas barf.
After how many candy cane cookies?
LOL Well I do like the fruity ones.
Oh! How could I forget! I do love Nightmare Before Christmas! Also, to be fair to Christmas, there isn't a holiday that I like.
Greg you strike me as someone who would enjoy Halloween :)
And yeah this is interesting. Definitely not what I was expecting from Hawkeye but I'm glad the tone feels very different.
> Also, to be fair to Christmas, there isn't a holiday that I like.
Tonight a Ghost of Christmas past will come to visit you...
Well it better be a Cheerful Ghost or I'm calling the Ghostbusters!
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Disney+ never disappoints! Go watch the two episodes they gave us, "bro."
Thanks for the note. Added to my watchlist!
I am really enjoying this! So far the only Marvel show to not 100% connect with me was Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
I've liked all these shows. I'm once again at the point where there are two episodes left and I wonder how they're going to answer all my questions. It's exciting.
I don't like the Christmas aspect of the show, but if you're curious as to why it's there, check this out (it has nothing to do with story details, so definitely no spoilers): https://www.gamespot.com/articles/so-why-is-hawkeye-a-christmas-show/1100-6498720/
It should have been an april 1st story! :)
I like the christmas aspect.
It does help with the episodic timeline. There are only 6 of these and 2 more. It makes sense, because Clint is trying to get home for Christmas.
What if he wanted to get home before April 1st so he could pull an epic prank on his wife? I think I am on to something here. š¤£
Hawkeye is the most awesome Christmas ever, along with The Nightmare Before Christmas. Despite my dislike for this holiday season, I absolutely love this show! It has mysteries, a great plot, great action, and surprises! When it comes to Disney+ (and movies for that matter), the MCU does not disappoint. Be sure to stick around for a post-credits scene, it's quite enjoyable. "I can do this all day!"
I donāt know if Iād say Hawkeye is anywhere near my favorite Marvel series, but it absolutely has my favorite finale of any Marvel show.
Which is weird because theyāve all been so satisfying. But this one is SO satisfying. The finale is probably my favorite single episode of any Marvel TV. Well. Disney Plus Marvel TV. The whole Netflix Universe and Agents of SHIELD is something else but it looks like those lines are getting blurred