This discussion may include spoilers, so if you don't want anything spoiled, this may not be for you. However, if you're like me and are keeping up with the Disney+ Marvel shows and movies, feel free to share your thoughts. I also want to give you a FANTASTIC source for this discussion, the New Rockstars Channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7yRILFFJ2QZCykymr8LPwA/videos
Captain Americaâs shield was destroyed by Thanos in End Game. However, Steve Rogers took a trip through time and we see him return, but looking much older with a different shield. Itâs possible that while the original was made of Vibranium and the new one is made of Proto-Adamantium.... Read All This discussion may include spoilers, so if you don't want anything spoiled, this may not be for you. However, if you're like me and are keeping up with the Disney+ Marvel shows and movies, feel free to share your thoughts. I also want to give you a FANTASTIC source for this discussion, the New Rockstars Channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7yRILFFJ2QZCykymr8LPwA/videos
Captain Americaâs shield was destroyed by Thanos in End Game. However, Steve Rogers took a trip through time and we see him return, but looking much older with a different shield. Itâs possible that while the original was made of Vibranium and the new one is made of Proto-Adamantium. You probably recognize Vibranium from Wakanda and Adamantium is what was used to give Wolverine his metallic skeletal enhancements. I believe I saw that this is what the shield is made of in the comics. Anyway, Steve apparently spent time with Peggy Carter (who I LOVE personally) and delivered the new shield to The Falcon, Sam Wilson. Bucky Barnes, The Winter Soldier and The White Wolf, was present and he approved of this. However, Sam couldnât accept it. He didnât feel like it belonged to him, even though Cap had told him âit does.â
The Falcon and The Winter Soldier starts off showing Sam on a mission where he meets up with Batroc, who we saw in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. We get to see Sam flying with his wingsuit and using his drone named Red Wing. Unfortunately, Red Wing was destroyed in the next episode.
After the mission, we see an extension of how Sam felt about Cap giving him the shield. He was part of a ceremony in which he gave up the shield, seemingly to be displayed in a museum. However, we see at the end of the episode that the government has given the shield to a new Captain America, John Walker a.k.a. U.S. Agent. This was definitely a slap in the face to Sam and Steveâs memory.
Apparently, itâs not known exactly where Steve is during this time. Samâs partner on this mission, Joaquin Torres, asks Sam about a theory that Steve is âon the moon,â but Sam doesnât necessarily confirm or deny this. I think he said something like âdonât believe everything you read on the Internet.â When he was leaving their meet up, Joaquin asked him where was going and Sam joked that he had business to do âon the moon.â In the comics, Joaquin becomes The Falcon as Sam becomes the new Captain America.
When we first see Bucky Barnes heâs The Winter Soldier on an assassination mission. Later we see heâs befriended Yori Nakajima, the father of one of the guys he killed in that mission. Clearly Mr. Nakajima doesnât know that it was The Winter Soldier who killed his son, but Bucky is trying to make peace with his past. It isnât until the second episode when Sam and Bucky finally get together. Bucky confronts Sam and asks him why he gave up the shield and that he was stupid to do so. Bucky joins Sam on a mission against a new global terrorist group called the Flag Smashers. The Flag Smashers are super soldiers who want to return the world to during the âblip.â
The nature of the show is clearly tackling race issues. We can see this in the second episode more clearly when Sam and Bucky go to visit Isaiah Bradley, who lives with his grandson Eli Bradley. It turns out Isaiah is a super soldier, but wasnât as well known as Steve Rogers. He was sent to defeat The Winter Soldier and although he failed, he still broke the Winter Soldierâs metal arm in half. Afterwards he was imprisoned for 30 years as tests were conducted on him. He is rightfully very angry about this when Bucky goes to see him and we get to see a taste of his power. In the comics, Eli joins the Young Avengers, which the MCU seems to be leading to as weâve seen other characters through the MCU who are in the Young Avengers, such as the daughters of Iron Man/Tony Stark, Clint Barton, and Ant-Man along with Billy and Tommy, the twin sons of Wanda Maximoff and Vision.
The racism doesnât stop there. As Sam and Bucky leave Isaiahâs house, police officers pull up to the two of them. They show off Buckyâs white privilege and treat Sam as though heâs some how bothering Bucky. They ask for Samâs ID, but not for Buckyâs. Sam doesnât have his ID and soon enough the officers recognize him and Bucky as Avengers. Then they find out that thereâs a warrant out for Buckyâs arrest since he missed his court ordered therapy session. In the end, John Walker gets Bucky free of his court ordered therapy. Sam and Bucky get in a heated discussion with John Walker and his buddy, Lemar Hoskins a.k.a Battle Star. So they go their separate ways.
Later, we see Bucky convincing Sam that they need to go see Zemo, whoâs in prison. They need to find more about the Flag Smashers and their use of the super soldier serum and Hydra was apparently hunting super soldiers, as we learn in episode 3. We see them break Zemo out of prison, who leads them to Madripoor. There they meet with someone Zemo knows and they find out the name of the doctor involved. Sam's cover was blown by a call from his sister. She then orders the men to be killed, but she gets killed by an unknown assailant. This puts a bounty on the group. Later, as they're escaping, they find that some mysterious person is still killing the people that are after them. It turns out to be Peggy Carterâs great-niece Sharon. You may remember her from Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Civil War, in which she was first keeping an eye on Steve Rogers, but later Sam and Bucky witnessed the two kissing, which even they said was kind of weird. She claims to be in Madripoor, because of being a fugitive in the U.S. due to stealing Cap's shield and Sam's flight suit for them. Sam promises to get her a pardon for helping them find the doctor who created the new super soldier serum, which was derived from blood analysis of Isaiah Bradley. I feel kind of suspicious about Sharon, it's hard to explain. Sure, she stated that she's in Madripoor, because they don't extradite people, but she could have gone to any other country that has that same policy. She's obviously well connected, so I wonder what's really going on with her.
The identity of the Power Broker is still a mystery. There are actually two Power Broker characters in the Marvel comics, so it's possible it's one of them. You may notice "The Power Broker is watching" written on one of the walls in Madripoor. Apparently, he (or she) is living in the upper part of Madripoor, which the group avoided due to Nemo's advice.
At the end of episode 3, we see that Bucky has found some small metallic spheres that give off some kind of odd sound. Bucky follows these and picks them up, which leads him to an alley. Ayo appears and Bucky says, that he was wondering when she would show up. She says she's after Zemo. You may remember her from Black Panther, T'challa's body guard.
New Rockstars has suggested other Hydra cameos may appear such as Red Skull, who we last saw in Infinity War when Clint Barton and Black Widow went to get the soul stone. It seems as though Red Skull may have been freed of his service there, since the stone was collected. Arnim Zola was a very prominent Hydra scientist. His digital self was apparently in the background on one of the computers when Tony Stark went back in time and met his father. In the comics, Zola gets a robotic body, so itâs possible he could make an appearance.
Most of the Easter eggs appear in the showâs credits. New Rockstars pointed them out. It seems possible that Thaddeus âThunderboltâ Ross may make an appearance. You may recognize him from The Incredible Hulk, which starred Edward Norton. He also makes an appearance in the MCU as Secretary of State. He was the one pushing the Avengers to sign the Sokovia Accords. However, even in The Incredible Hulk, Thaddeus had his hands on a kind of super soldier serum that was used to create the Abomination. In the comics, Thaddeus creates a team called the Thunderbolts. This group includes Zemo, so we may see the beginning of this groupâs formation.
Thereâs been a bit of news recently that thereâs going to be a special cameo of a âwell-rounded characterâ whoâs kind of on the same level as Thor. New Rockstars also pointed out that this is going to be emotional some how. They have a new video out with their own theories and hopes of who that character could be.
Iâm enjoying the show so far, though it doesnât feel as exciting as WandaVision. Maybe thatâs because WandaVision was our first thirst after a long drought of Marvel content, or maybe itâs because that show was just extremely fantastic. Iâm still looking forward to seeing what happens in the show. Iâm not all that fond of John Walker, although at the start of the second episode he appeared to be a decent guy. Although heâs still a mystery, because it was mentioned during his interview with Good Morning America that scientists had studied his body. Apparently he excelled in many traits, which could possibly mean heâs had some of that super soldier serum. He certainly could use the shield just as good as Cap. Still, the trailer shows Sam and Bucky with the shield, so we have yet to learn how they get it.
I really love the Marvel intro in these shows and the movies. It feels electrifying. It's like it sets up my psychology to expect that something great is coming.
What do you think of the show? What do you think is going to happen? What do you want to see? Letâs talk about it in the comments!
The Falcon and The Winter Soldier only has six episodes and after that Lokiâs show begins on June 11th!
Captain Americaâs shield was destroyed by Thanos in End Game. However, Steve Rogers took a trip through time and we see him return, but looking much older with a different shield. Itâs possible that while the original was made of Vibranium and the new one is made of Proto-Adamantium.... Read All This discussion may include spoilers, so if you don't want anything spoiled, this may not be for you. However, if you're like me and are keeping up with the Disney+ Marvel shows and movies, feel free to share your thoughts. I also want to give you a FANTASTIC source for this discussion, the New Rockstars Channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7yRILFFJ2QZCykymr8LPwA/videos
Captain Americaâs shield was destroyed by Thanos in End Game. However, Steve Rogers took a trip through time and we see him return, but looking much older with a different shield. Itâs possible that while the original was made of Vibranium and the new one is made of Proto-Adamantium. You probably recognize Vibranium from Wakanda and Adamantium is what was used to give Wolverine his metallic skeletal enhancements. I believe I saw that this is what the shield is made of in the comics. Anyway, Steve apparently spent time with Peggy Carter (who I LOVE personally) and delivered the new shield to The Falcon, Sam Wilson. Bucky Barnes, The Winter Soldier and The White Wolf, was present and he approved of this. However, Sam couldnât accept it. He didnât feel like it belonged to him, even though Cap had told him âit does.â
The Falcon and The Winter Soldier starts off showing Sam on a mission where he meets up with Batroc, who we saw in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. We get to see Sam flying with his wingsuit and using his drone named Red Wing. Unfortunately, Red Wing was destroyed in the next episode.
After the mission, we see an extension of how Sam felt about Cap giving him the shield. He was part of a ceremony in which he gave up the shield, seemingly to be displayed in a museum. However, we see at the end of the episode that the government has given the shield to a new Captain America, John Walker a.k.a. U.S. Agent. This was definitely a slap in the face to Sam and Steveâs memory.
Apparently, itâs not known exactly where Steve is during this time. Samâs partner on this mission, Joaquin Torres, asks Sam about a theory that Steve is âon the moon,â but Sam doesnât necessarily confirm or deny this. I think he said something like âdonât believe everything you read on the Internet.â When he was leaving their meet up, Joaquin asked him where was going and Sam joked that he had business to do âon the moon.â In the comics, Joaquin becomes The Falcon as Sam becomes the new Captain America.
When we first see Bucky Barnes heâs The Winter Soldier on an assassination mission. Later we see heâs befriended Yori Nakajima, the father of one of the guys he killed in that mission. Clearly Mr. Nakajima doesnât know that it was The Winter Soldier who killed his son, but Bucky is trying to make peace with his past. It isnât until the second episode when Sam and Bucky finally get together. Bucky confronts Sam and asks him why he gave up the shield and that he was stupid to do so. Bucky joins Sam on a mission against a new global terrorist group called the Flag Smashers. The Flag Smashers are super soldiers who want to return the world to during the âblip.â
The nature of the show is clearly tackling race issues. We can see this in the second episode more clearly when Sam and Bucky go to visit Isaiah Bradley, who lives with his grandson Eli Bradley. It turns out Isaiah is a super soldier, but wasnât as well known as Steve Rogers. He was sent to defeat The Winter Soldier and although he failed, he still broke the Winter Soldierâs metal arm in half. Afterwards he was imprisoned for 30 years as tests were conducted on him. He is rightfully very angry about this when Bucky goes to see him and we get to see a taste of his power. In the comics, Eli joins the Young Avengers, which the MCU seems to be leading to as weâve seen other characters through the MCU who are in the Young Avengers, such as the daughters of Iron Man/Tony Stark, Clint Barton, and Ant-Man along with Billy and Tommy, the twin sons of Wanda Maximoff and Vision.
The racism doesnât stop there. As Sam and Bucky leave Isaiahâs house, police officers pull up to the two of them. They show off Buckyâs white privilege and treat Sam as though heâs some how bothering Bucky. They ask for Samâs ID, but not for Buckyâs. Sam doesnât have his ID and soon enough the officers recognize him and Bucky as Avengers. Then they find out that thereâs a warrant out for Buckyâs arrest since he missed his court ordered therapy session. In the end, John Walker gets Bucky free of his court ordered therapy. Sam and Bucky get in a heated discussion with John Walker and his buddy, Lemar Hoskins a.k.a Battle Star. So they go their separate ways.
Later, we see Bucky convincing Sam that they need to go see Zemo, whoâs in prison. They need to find more about the Flag Smashers and their use of the super soldier serum and Hydra was apparently hunting super soldiers, as we learn in episode 3. We see them break Zemo out of prison, who leads them to Madripoor. There they meet with someone Zemo knows and they find out the name of the doctor involved. Sam's cover was blown by a call from his sister. She then orders the men to be killed, but she gets killed by an unknown assailant. This puts a bounty on the group. Later, as they're escaping, they find that some mysterious person is still killing the people that are after them. It turns out to be Peggy Carterâs great-niece Sharon. You may remember her from Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Civil War, in which she was first keeping an eye on Steve Rogers, but later Sam and Bucky witnessed the two kissing, which even they said was kind of weird. She claims to be in Madripoor, because of being a fugitive in the U.S. due to stealing Cap's shield and Sam's flight suit for them. Sam promises to get her a pardon for helping them find the doctor who created the new super soldier serum, which was derived from blood analysis of Isaiah Bradley. I feel kind of suspicious about Sharon, it's hard to explain. Sure, she stated that she's in Madripoor, because they don't extradite people, but she could have gone to any other country that has that same policy. She's obviously well connected, so I wonder what's really going on with her.
The identity of the Power Broker is still a mystery. There are actually two Power Broker characters in the Marvel comics, so it's possible it's one of them. You may notice "The Power Broker is watching" written on one of the walls in Madripoor. Apparently, he (or she) is living in the upper part of Madripoor, which the group avoided due to Nemo's advice.
At the end of episode 3, we see that Bucky has found some small metallic spheres that give off some kind of odd sound. Bucky follows these and picks them up, which leads him to an alley. Ayo appears and Bucky says, that he was wondering when she would show up. She says she's after Zemo. You may remember her from Black Panther, T'challa's body guard.
New Rockstars has suggested other Hydra cameos may appear such as Red Skull, who we last saw in Infinity War when Clint Barton and Black Widow went to get the soul stone. It seems as though Red Skull may have been freed of his service there, since the stone was collected. Arnim Zola was a very prominent Hydra scientist. His digital self was apparently in the background on one of the computers when Tony Stark went back in time and met his father. In the comics, Zola gets a robotic body, so itâs possible he could make an appearance.
Most of the Easter eggs appear in the showâs credits. New Rockstars pointed them out. It seems possible that Thaddeus âThunderboltâ Ross may make an appearance. You may recognize him from The Incredible Hulk, which starred Edward Norton. He also makes an appearance in the MCU as Secretary of State. He was the one pushing the Avengers to sign the Sokovia Accords. However, even in The Incredible Hulk, Thaddeus had his hands on a kind of super soldier serum that was used to create the Abomination. In the comics, Thaddeus creates a team called the Thunderbolts. This group includes Zemo, so we may see the beginning of this groupâs formation.
Thereâs been a bit of news recently that thereâs going to be a special cameo of a âwell-rounded characterâ whoâs kind of on the same level as Thor. New Rockstars also pointed out that this is going to be emotional some how. They have a new video out with their own theories and hopes of who that character could be.
Iâm enjoying the show so far, though it doesnât feel as exciting as WandaVision. Maybe thatâs because WandaVision was our first thirst after a long drought of Marvel content, or maybe itâs because that show was just extremely fantastic. Iâm still looking forward to seeing what happens in the show. Iâm not all that fond of John Walker, although at the start of the second episode he appeared to be a decent guy. Although heâs still a mystery, because it was mentioned during his interview with Good Morning America that scientists had studied his body. Apparently he excelled in many traits, which could possibly mean heâs had some of that super soldier serum. He certainly could use the shield just as good as Cap. Still, the trailer shows Sam and Bucky with the shield, so we have yet to learn how they get it.
I really love the Marvel intro in these shows and the movies. It feels electrifying. It's like it sets up my psychology to expect that something great is coming.
What do you think of the show? What do you think is going to happen? What do you want to see? Letâs talk about it in the comments!
The Falcon and The Winter Soldier only has six episodes and after that Lokiâs show begins on June 11th!
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Greg, I'll read this after I see today's episode drop.
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I swore that we could do that, but I couldn't see how to. I'll look again and if you see that I haven't please let me know how. Thanks man!
Oh yeah wow, apparently Travis and I removed that. Huh. Well.
Forget it.
Iâll promote anyway.
Well, thanks for reminding me that episode 3 came out last night, I'm about to go watch it.
Yeah Iâm gonna watch it later tonight.
Cool, I updated my post with episode 3 content.
Dude, so episode 3 has finally got me excited for the show. WandaVision was *so* different and all over the place that I was always looking forward to what might come next. I'd wake up Friday morning and watch it before getting ready for work lol.
FaWS (I don't want to write the full name every time lol) has definitely felt like the beginning of a Marvel movie, and just wasn't thrilling me like WV, but now I'm hooked. I'm glad there are only 3 more episodes, as each one is going to have to be packed to finish up this story :)
Sharon Carter might be my favorite Marvel character now lol
Yeah, I think WandaVision was extremely exciting. FWS isn't bad, but maybe not nearly as exciting. With only 3 episodes left, I wonder what's going to happen. Sharon is a badass, but I still feel suspicious. I'm still in love with Peggy Carter.
She's pretty bad ass, but I'm suspicious.
My main question is "Where's Mephisto???" đ
LOL Yeah! Maybe he'll show up eventually. His name was listed on a document in one of the earlier MCU movies.
> Where's Mephisto???
Somewhere with Waldo and the Eternals?
Spoiler warning, if you haven't seen episode 5, the second to last episode that premiered last week. New Rockstars has what seems to be a good theory as to what the character played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus is up to. I like that blue streak in her hair. Anyway you can watch their less than 10 minute video here: https://youtu.be/tyHXWwcXvto Let me know what you think.
Spoilers for the last episode!
That was a fantastic finale! I loved the story threads that will continue on in upcoming movies/shows, and there were some powerful moments from Sam. And I love his new suit! I was a little disappointed it didn't have any Black Panther type shock absorption, but I knew that was unlikely.
I'm looking forward to what Val alluded to "it's going to get weird..." whatever that means, I'm here for it! I imagine she's building the Dark Avengers, or maybe helping put together the Thunderbolts?
There's so much set up for the Young Avengers now. I wonder when that'll become a thing? The actors that are already in roles won't be young forever, so I imagine in the next few years we'll see more about that :)
BRING ON LOKI!
That's my Cap! Yeah, it does seem like they're setting up the Dark Avengers or Thunderbolts and Young Avengers. I'm looking forward to what the MCU brings us and seeing how all of these shows and movies possibly connect. Dang, I just reconfirmed, Loki's not until June. I wish we didn't have to wait.
Captain America 4 has been announced!
Yep! https://www.gamespot.com/articles/captain-america-4-is-in-the-works-starring-sam-wilson/1100-6490571/?utm_source=gamefaqs&utm_medium=partner&utm_content=news_module&utm_campaign=homepage