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Dark Messiah is a great game for those of you who like games

Dark Messiah is a great game for those of you who like games with fun combat. This is a linear game and does not have any open world experience. If you can't stand linear games then I must say: play it anyway. The combat of this game is just so fun that you can't turn it down. Its about a 6-8 hour experience and comes with a multiplayer aspect of the game(although not many people play it anymore). An example of the combat that makes it fun is the magic. One of the spells you can use is ice, which when you cast it onto the ground, it creates a slippery surface that makes your foes slip and fall onto the ground. Since the game is a bit older, the ragdoll physics are... Read All

So Ive decided to start up a discussion on all games

So I've decided to start up a discussion on all games japanese related. This is not to comment about anime or manga or characters. Just games. Talk about your favorite japanese games. Your games you were saddest never made it over seas. Or ones that are rare and that you'd Recommend.

I'll start with a few of my favorite series:
Super Robot Wars SRPG
Soma Bringer ARPG
Seiken Densetsu 3 ARPG (Secret/Legend of Mana 3 for you non japanese literate)
"Tales of" games and their offshoots. A/RPG hybrid

Honorable mention:
Uncharted Waters series (it really only remained popular in asia and still today is one of the best sea faring series of all time)

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/07/2012 at 11:59pm

I'll comment on Uncharted Waters and few other games after what first came to mind after you mentioned Japanese games.

It's funny because Japanese games for so long in my early gaming life dictated how I viewed what games were. And you know, it might seem strange but ill list of some badass Japanese games:

Super Mario Brothers
The Legend of Zelda
Donkey Kong
Final Fantasy
Romance of the Three Kingdoms

So really, Japanese games ruled gaming and my life for damn near half of it. I got into programming because of games and dreaming about one day making them.

Anyways, kind of got all wild eyed and sentimental for a minute there, anyways.. :D

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 12:13am

Uncharted Waters and all other Koei games are pretty unqiue and a few made it into my all time most beloved games list.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms 2 [ To my mind one of the most perfect strategy games, holds up well now too. ]
Genghis Khan 2: Clan of the Grey Wolf: Wrote about my love for this one here: http://cheerfulghost.com/jdodson/posts/191

I played Le Emperor and rented Uncharted Waters on the Super Nintendo. I really like Uncharted Waters, the ship trading, upgrading the ship and traveling around the wold. It was a really fun idea I haven't had as much fun with in a modern game like it(I guess Sid Meyers Pirates is sort of similar?).

Koei still makes stuff and they released a version of Romance of the Three Kingdoms on the iPhone, one of these days ill break down and get it but I don't want every second of the day spend playing it so.... It waits, un-purchased. :D

Tungsten wrote on 09/08/2012 at 01:09am

I never played too many of the japanese ones. Seiken Densetsu had a spot on my emulator for a while, and I quite enjoyed it. Dragon Force on the Saturn (woah, that brings me back) was quite a good time, and most certainly very Japanese. I've always wanted to pick up the translation of shining force III... but other than that I've been pretty western.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 01:24am

i agree with you there tungsten i too wish to pick up the shining force III translation thats a classic. Romance of the three kingdoms is amazingly fun as well. Romancing Saga is a completely different game but also unbelievably amazing. Pirates! that most people are familiar with is nowhere close to as good as uncharted new horizons was. Sorry pirates! fans out there.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 04:10am

Here's a game (series really) that might not get mentioned so I feel I should: Katamari Damacy. These games are so addictive. The mechanics are so simple, you pick up smaller objects so that you grow and can pick up larger and larger ones. You start of picking up thumbtacks and end up rolling up entire galaxies!

Insanely fun, insanely addictive, and insanely frustrating. The new one released on the Vita is quite literally the only thing that makes me want to buy a Vita.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 04:21am

Oh man Katamari Damacy is great but when you get game over? Man seems like a childrens game but thats simply terrifying. Love the music tho. daaaa-dadadada haha

Travis Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 04:28am

Yeah the King of all Cosmos does not tolerate failure. I mean, even when you hit your size goal he isn't too happy with you unless you do around 200% usually. Such a hard father.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 04:39am

For real and I think he can also be considered a mass murder. As he does kind of turn the entire world into a big shining ball of fire (i.e. a star)

Travis Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 05:04am

Well, from all of the absolutely bizarre flavor text you can see on items and such in the game, it seems like being rolled into the katamari is somehow euphoric. So at least they all went out happy.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 06:55am

hahahaha ya. that game is what happens when your high and decide to make a video game. such a funny game

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 09/08/2012 at 04:37pm

I have a Katamari demo on my xbox from years ago. It's so unique and mesmorizing that I'll probably keep the demo forever.

Timogorgon Member wrote on 09/08/2012 at 05:23pm

Uncharted waters was awesome! I actually picked up Pirates! because it looked like an updated uncharted waters.

As far as games that didn't make it stateside, Seiken Densetsu 3 and Mother 3 were my two big ones. Luckily they both were fan translated. :) I also just picked up a fan translated version of Brigandine Grand Edition which I haven't tried yet but I'm excited about. I've heard Bahamut's lagoon was a good SNES RPG that never made it stateside, but I've never seen or played it.

One of my favorite tactical RPG games is Disgaea, and it is VERY Japanese, lol. Here's the trailer for the first game in the series (and my favorite in the series so far): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOsvsyIElRI
The game is absolutely insane in just about every way. There are so many different ways to improve your characters and make them more powerful that I had to kind of force myself to stop working on leveling them up and actually go do the main storyline at one point. The game is also genuinely funny. My wife liked it when I would play the game when she was around because she enjoyed the cut scenes so much.

And of course my childhood was ruled by Japanese video games: Zelda, Mario, The Final Fantasy series, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Mega Man, Metroid, etc. :)

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 06:12pm

Secret of Mana. So good. So very good.

Chrono Trigger is on my list of shame for games I haven't played much of or beaten....

Please don't judge me.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 07:33pm

@Jdodson you should check out one of the steam greenlight games called secret of grindea. looks like kind of a funny name based on the sterotypes of ARPGs however it basically looks like a revamped and newer version of something like secret of mana but it has 4player co op

@Whiteboy I remember buying both Disgaea and La Puccell Tactics together on ebay when it was like impossible to find for ps2. They were so expensive. This was before the DS and PSP remake. Nippon Ichi really is a savoir of old-school styled SRPG's

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 07:35pm

Also bahamut lagoon is pretty cool and worth playing. Its a rather typical SRPG except you have dragons that you can feed and depending on what you give them they get different stats and evolve in different ways.

Also can't believe I didn't mention Lufia II. Lufia II is probobly one of my greatest games from my childhood or of all time. Anyone else played and beaten it?

Timogorgon Member wrote on 09/08/2012 at 07:41pm

I've never beaten it, but I have played Lufia II. That's another great game! I should go back and finally beat that one. :) I think the farthest I ever got was I the tower that randomly generated new floors. I don't know how far into the game that is though.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 08:03pm

The soundtrack is very cool as well. Not sure how to embed a video but this is an AMAZING orchestral version of one of the songs in the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHpgHXghgLw

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 08:03pm

P.S. for those who dont want spoilers and want to finish or play the game. Do not read the comments. Unless you already have played other lufia games.

TonyJapMayo wrote on 09/16/2012 at 05:55pm

Nice post, I'm here =P There are too many Japanese games that are good.. I mainly play their PSP games.. From Monster Hunter that takes a while until we get the English version, the new Digimon Frontier n many other games..

n yeah, Disgaea, one of the best..

Btw don't forget Rockman/Megaman too =)

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/16/2012 at 06:38pm

Ah Monster Hunter Is up there as one of my favorite game series. I've sunk probably 1000hours into that series

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/16/2012 at 07:27pm

Wii version worth picking up? Heard good things about it but I haven't snagged a Wii Title since Just Dance 3.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/16/2012 at 07:33pm

the Wii version is what i started on. I loved the game immensely. It's a bit old now but its still the last monster hunter we've ever received in the US. It is challenging as heck though. If your not ready to spend some time trying to learn a weapon style and get pretty darn good at it; it's probably not worth it.

However, If your looking for a game with challenge amazing animation and some of the best group play out there. I'd say it's amazing and a definate must own.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/16/2012 at 07:48pm

Split screen group play or online? How does it work.

Going to look into this one, getting more good Wii games would be cool.

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/16/2012 at 08:00pm

its online. I think the online servers are up. its been awhile. It had like lobbies you join.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/16/2012 at 08:12pm

Good to know, thanks!

TonyJapMayo wrote on 09/17/2012 at 03:13am

If you like horror, they have some great horror Japanese game too on Wii.. E.g. The Grudge / Ju-on.. Tried that on my friend's Wii, twas fun =)

Jacob_Richardson Post Author wrote on 09/17/2012 at 09:36am

I think one of the best "secret" horror games is on the gamecube. Eternal Darkness. Believe that was it. You have sanity and as you get scared more and more your guy literally starts to look creepy as hell and you start hearing things. Look it up.

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Bethesda just released more details of what will be shipping

Bethesda just released more details of what will be shipping with Doom 3: BFG Edition. A snip of some interesting bits:

"ONLINE multiplayer for Xbox 360 and PS3:

DOOM: 2-4 players per map
DOOM II: 2-4 players per map
DOOM 3 and Resurrection of Evil: 2-4 players per map
Lost Mission: N/A

OFFLINE multiplayer for Xbox 360 and PS3:

DOOM: 2-4 players per map
DOOM II: 2-4 players per map
DOOM 3 and Resurrection of Evil: N/A
Lost Mission: N/A

PC Multiplayer:

On PC online Multiplayer for DOOM 3 and Resurrection of Evil is 2-8 players.
On PC there is no multiplayer options for Doom and Doom II."

Bummed that the PS3 version won't ship with split-screen multiplayer. Bethesda notes that the... Read All

Travis Admin wrote on 09/07/2012 at 07:11pm

Why. the. hell. is there no Doom 1/2 multiplayer on PC?

BR Supporter wrote on 09/07/2012 at 08:18pm

I feel like the PC should have more content then the consoles considering it is a much better system. Lately, I feel as though the PC players have been getting jipped. They never seem to put as much effort into the PC version of games.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/07/2012 at 09:31pm

I can understand some PC game having less, but it's obvious that all of these started on PC, so you'd think it would make the most sense that the PC version would have all the bells and whistles.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 11:15pm

True thats a huge disappointment as me and my brother BR and some friends are really looking forward to playing multiplayer together. Doom was such a classic in my generation i remember playing it when i was young.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 12:03am

Doom was a classic for me as well(its why I keep posting about it). I carried my floppy of it around with me everywhere so I could play it wherever I went.

It is unfortunate that the multiplayer is out for Doom and Doom 2 on PC. I understand the reason but yeah... Pretty lame. I am getting it first on PS3 so ill have it but it would be pretty awesome to go through it with you all in co-op. That would have been fun.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/08/2012 at 01:32am

This is a bit offtopic but have you seen the "remake" more like "remastered" version of baldurs gate being made? I've always wanted proper multiplayer support for easy playability with friends. If the multiplayer is easy to access this time around I'll have a blast with it as I don't like controlling 6characters by myself.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 04:11am

Jon: "I understand the reason but..."

What's the reason? I don't understand it at all, and would appreciate some enlightenment :)

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 06:10pm

panickedthumb: They released Doom & Doom 2 for XBox and it included multiplayer. I imagine the multiplayer had some console only elements to it. In the article, they list that as the reason I believe.

Jacob_Richardson: I did hear about the remake and plan on picking it up when it ships as I never played Baldurs before.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 08:19pm

Ah, I didn't see that in the article. Still, you could do multiplayer over dialup on PC back in the day ;)

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 08:27pm

It's true. I think it's sort of a cop-out but it's less servers they have to sort out I imagine. At least LAN would have been something.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 08:33pm

LAN or splitscreen even. I don't know how possible that would even be on the old code, but I imagine it's a "new" engine or at least updated enough to run properly on new machines. You can do splitscreen multiplayer with two mice and keyboards on some PC games these days.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 08:38pm

I know, but it's also a matter of time and the return on that time spent. I'd do it personally but I'm not sure the time constraints at iD.

Ah well, well always have the Doom open source projects.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/09/2012 at 01:31am

Some of those are amazing too. I haven't even looked into them in about 5 years, but back then they were already amazing.

I know what I'm doing with my Sunday.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/09/2012 at 04:42am

Let me know what you find :D

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This game, man is it fun. Think of GTA with much better

This game, man is it fun. Think of GTA with much better EVERYTHING. The fighting is extremely challenging and very fun. The story so far has interested me, I won't give any spoilers, but the story keeps you guessing and wondering what will happen next. I really enjoy this and I recommend it if you like games like GTA and Saints Row.

Tungsten wrote on 09/06/2012 at 11:56pm

I keep seeing it everywhere. I just figured it was an odd title translation for one of the Yakuza games. I'm a big fan of the sandbox games, so I'll have to check it out.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/07/2012 at 03:14am

Yep, this game must have a zillion dollar advertising budget because I see it everywhere as well. If there is a demo ill download it on Steam.

Tungsten wrote on 09/07/2012 at 01:36pm

Japanese main character = Yakuza game.

Apparently I'm a racist. Sorry about that.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/07/2012 at 07:12pm

I've heard since this is a British game that you can really screw yourself up in real life by playing this too much. You get out and try to drive on the left side of the road.

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/07/2012 at 08:21pm

Well it takes place in Hong Kong, but yeah, it is hard to get used to. I always end up ramming a car head on(in the game) cause I pull out and drive on the "wrong" side of the road.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 12:08am

I love that they didn't Americanize it. But, well it could be frustrating to hit so many cars all the time.

Do you go to jail for that?

Tungsten wrote on 09/08/2012 at 01:10am

Ha. Chinese. Wow I'm bad.

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 02:43am

The cops will chase you, but most the time you just back up and drive away. There are cops but they can only chase you if they personally witness the crime you did. So, if there are no cops around, you have less of a chance of getting caught.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/10/2012 at 04:06am

I downloaded and tried this game on Steam.

Sucked pretty bad my first time. I think the game might be easier with a controller. The keyboard / mouse doesn't seem awesome for this game. The fighting wasn't too bad but I died pretty easily.

Haven't played a ton of GTA or Arkham Asylum so this kind of thing was new to me. I might download it on the PS3 or plug in a controller to give in another go.

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/10/2012 at 03:50pm

I heard from a friend that the demo was very glitchy. Like they didn't release an updated version of it to go with the game.

Travis Admin wrote on 09/10/2012 at 04:18pm

jdodson, I know you don't have an XBox, but you should get a wired 360 controller for PC. Since they're so popular, most games will ship with controls geared directly to the 360 controller so you don't have to do any special configuring.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/11/2012 at 12:38am

Hmmm, I have a controller. Two actually. Not an XBox wired controller, but I imagine they will work similarly?

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/11/2012 at 03:00am

Yep it worked and it had a pretty large impact on the game as it was easier with the controller. So smooth. The buttons are 1, 4, 3 & 2 so I was lost as to what to press, but I figured it out pretty quickly.

Think ill do this for more games.

Will_Owens wrote on 10/29/2012 at 07:23am

Really enjoying this game, captures the feel of Hong Kong very well. I hope they make a sequel that takes place in other areas after the success of this one. The missions are fun and the fighting system makes it much better than the GTA4 style shoot and drive away situations.

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heres my haiku..im not english,so sorry if the syllables

here's my haiku..i'm not english,so sorry if the syllables counting is wrong,i've used a program for that,blame him.

fast steel breaks the sky
a crimson flower blossoms
a beautiful thing

Fun is learning the ROH in your FUS from the Greybeards.

Fun is learning the ROH in your FUS from the Greybeards. Awesome is learning how to run really fast as a Dragon Shout and then using it right away. Rad is entering a sweet catacomb and having some statues rise out of the water.

The above screen grab is right out of a sweet moment where I entered the "final chamber" of a dungeon trying to find something for the Greybeards. As I entered the room statues rose up from the water and I was really having fun with it. Bethesda is good at crafting those moments and I sure felt that at times with Fallout 3.

That said, I made the tough choice the other day to travel WITH A COMPANION! Seriously though, I want to be the loner in... Read All Fun is learning the ROH in your FUS from the Greybeards. Awesome is learning how to run really fast as a Dragon Shout and then using it right away. Rad is entering a sweet catacomb and having some statues rise out of the water.

The above screen grab is right out of a sweet moment where I entered the "final chamber" of a dungeon trying to find something for the Greybeards. As I entered the room statues rose up from the water and I was really having fun with it. Bethesda is good at crafting those moments and I sure felt that at times with Fallout 3.

That said, I made the tough choice the other day to travel WITH A COMPANION! Seriously though, I want to be the loner in Skyrim. I want to travel the endless expanse by myself, survive off the land and catch butterflies all by lonesome. That's the way I want to play my Dragonborn, she is a loner than can take on the world. Thing is, the game is really hard that way and I won't drop down the difficulty. So I capitulated and now I roll with Lydia. Lydia is a very apt knight person, she follows me around and joins the battle and keeps quiet. From time to time she clears her throat but I think deep down she knows I prefer keeping to myself in Skyrim.

And I do. Sometimes ill just walk a direction because I can. A few times a cougar or bear sort of just runs out of the brush and scares the shit out of me. A few times it ended in my death, but not while Lydia is on the case. I send those bears straight to Yogi in heaven. (ask me more about that if it makes little sense. I readily admit it doesn't even make much sense to me).

Recently I read an article from Time online about some new awesome Skyrim mods. Read it here, its pretty cool.

http://techland.time.com/2012/08/31/the-10-best-new-skyrim-mods-for-august-2012/#bear-musician

The Skyrim community keeps bringing the awesome, but a few noteworthy points:

A Bear Musician Mod? Thank you Zeus!

A Space Travel Mod? I hope it comes with Chewbacca as the pilot!

A Frost Flame Spell? Jeez guys, what next an "up down" jump?

Skyrim footprints? I do have a lot of RAM free I guess!

Left hand rings? Cool.

Bat vampire travel? Only if I can make it so I sound like Count Chocula when I turn!

Skyrim School of Witchcraft and Wizardry? Holy %#$$ing $@#$ that is incredible. Hogwarts in Skyrim? Big Harry Potter fan so that sounds incredible.

Seriously though, that stuff really does look cool and Skyrim on PC keeps on being one of the best games you can buy due to the community alone. Hope it has an even longer life to it in the coming years!

In game mission briefing from Insomniacs new game they are

In game mission briefing from Insomniac's new game they are teasing everywhere www.fusegame.com

What can I say about this game, except for the fact that I

What can I say about this game, except for the fact that I haven't stopped playing it. Its such a fun and addicting game. It's by far the best mmorpg that I've ever played in my life. The PvE is exciting, the PvP is extremely well made, the world events are challenging and the main story is very interesting.

Right now, if I had to recommend one game to the entire world, it would be this. I am so glad I bought this game. I've had so much fun with it.

Did I mention that it also looks AMAZING? The world is so greatly developed. They encourage exploration and wandering around with things called vistas, which are usually hard to reach places that are high up and require a bit... Read All

Tungsten wrote on 09/06/2012 at 12:34am

I played the first. I don't really have time for an mmoprg right now (although Diablo is getting close...), but if I did this is probably where I'd go.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/06/2012 at 01:19am

Heard great things about GW2 from a bunch of people at PAX. It seemed to be the hot MMO right now with the crowd I spoke to(outside a panel on MMO's).

That screen grab is fun, how did that all happen?

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/06/2012 at 01:39am

There was a mission in which you could pick up chickens, and when I did, he grew 3x in size. I thought it was screen cap worthy considering my character's name is Cluckles. Not to mention I love chickens.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/06/2012 at 01:51am

Cluckles... Well done sir!

Oh and a tip I want to pass on... If you ever should play Skyrim, don't ever hit a Chicken. Sounds funny and I sort of thought it would be link Link to the Past and they would swarm you and back off after a few seconds.

Nope, nope, nope.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Chicken

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/06/2012 at 03:08am

Nope, you just get attacked by everyone in town. haha.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/06/2012 at 03:50am

Yes you do. Apparently everyone thinks you are some kind of killer for doing it.

I told my wife and she was like "Good, they should attack you for hitting that poor chicken!" :D

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/06/2012 at 11:40am

I agree with her, chickens are just poor defenseless creatures that deserve better >:(

haha, I'm just waiting for the mod that allows me to ride a giant chicken mount.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/06/2012 at 02:06pm

Chicken mount would be great.

Timogorgon Member wrote on 09/06/2012 at 09:14pm

Dude, chicken mounts have been done before: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Chocobo

:P

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/06/2012 at 10:28pm

Yeah, but technically those are chocobos, not chickens. Plus, there are no chicken mounts in skyrim or guild wars 2.

Tungsten wrote on 09/06/2012 at 11:58pm

did you check the Nexus? I would be surprised if there is no chicken mount.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/07/2012 at 03:13am

Internet to the rescue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XlGWweWeo4

Looks like fun.

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/07/2012 at 08:16pm

Ah yes, I do remember seeing that video. Although, I don't believe he released it.

Also, it has been awhile since the last time I played skyrim but last time I checked the nexus they did not have a chicken mount mod. There might be one now but I haven't played skyrim very much lately so I haven't really checked. Sleeping dogs and Guild wars 2 takes up all my free time.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 12:07am

Are there more mods on the Nexus than the Steam Workshop?

Tungsten wrote on 09/08/2012 at 01:15am

Probably. A lot of the modders don't like the Steam Workshop EULA (it gives them rights to the mod), so they prefer to only post their mods on the Nexus.

A quick estimate puts 16,000 files on the Nexus. Now, many of these are absolute crap, but many are really good.

The Nexus Mod tool that the site uses is better in many ways than the Workshop Tool, but you can use both at the same time. I always loaded my favorite mods in the Workshop, experimental mods and the 3 or 4 that I had to have but the Workshop didn't support ended up working under the Nexus.

BR Supporter Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 02:45am

Yeah, most of the more major game changing mods are on the nexus. If you like small random mods, the workshop is probably fine for that.

jdodson Admin wrote on 09/08/2012 at 06:15pm

OK ill checkout the Nexus then, thanks!

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Awesome.

According to 2K the Mecromancer will be released October

According to 2K the Mecromancer will be released October 16th and will cost $10. That is, unless you pre-order Borderlands 2 then it will be free. Totally excited about picking up this class to try out, its not quite the Borderlands 2 normal class.

Gearbox also said they will be releasing at least 4 DLC packs for Borderlands 2 and if you wanted, you could purchase a season pass to all of it for $30 at game launch.

Nice to have options but, I don't know, is this a bit too much DLC talk before the game has even shipped? I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, its awesome to get great content, on the other hand...

Borderlands 2 is set to be released on September 18th.

Axel_Mller wrote on 09/05/2012 at 10:27am

Atleast the previous Borderlands DLC's has been really well thought out campaigns. I think 20 dollars is reasonable enough for 4 new campaigns, not 30 dollars though.

Tungsten wrote on 09/05/2012 at 10:27am

Price of a game:
$60 (Game) + $10 (Addon) + $15 (DLC) + $15 (DLC) + $15 (DLC) + $15 (DLC) = $130
Remember when they it to be like $40 for the expensive ones?

How long until publishers start releasing a third of a game and charging you full price?

Oh... wait...**cough**starcraft**cough**

something in my throat

BR Supporter wrote on 09/05/2012 at 02:54pm

That's why I only buy games that are on sale. I can't afford to buy $100 games.

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 09/05/2012 at 05:35pm

I'm not a fan of DLC. When I buy a game, I want the game, not *part* of the game. I'll wait longer between games if developers need more time stuffing all their ideas into a game before it ships, but after it ships, I don't want to have to buy more.

But of course, I will pay more when it looks cool ;-)

"Thank you sir, may I have another?"

Timogorgon Member wrote on 09/05/2012 at 11:05pm

I think DLC can be awesome. As long as the pricing seems fair and it's purely optional/extra content that adds to the existing game then I'm totally cool with it. It can extend the life of the game sales, and give the developers a way to make a little extra money from the used game crowd (which is so much better than trying to punish them for buying it used).

Shipping an incomplete game and then charging for the missing pieces is not cool. Making people pay to access content that's already on the disc they just bought is just as bad if not worse.

Tungsten wrote on 09/06/2012 at 12:36am

Which fighting game was it that got in big trouble with this?
Hidden characters on the disc, and you have to pay to unlock them
What's worse, some of the characters they won't let you unlock for any reason, even though they're actually on the disc.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/06/2012 at 01:11am

@tungsten It was Street Fighter IV.

I agree with everyone here. Typically what i've done is wait until the GoTY has been released and then get it all in one go. That has been fine up to this point(I nabbed Fallout 3 this way) but I find I pass up on an awesome group experience. You know the feeling, where you and your friends go through a game together and squee with excitement over how awesome it is. When I wait it out, its just me, which is awesome but you know, not as awesome as rocking through a game with friends and sharing it.

That said, I imagine ill go from BL2 => GoTY and opt out of the DLC hits as long as I can handle it. I don't mind devs coming back to the watering hole, I just mind the consumption mechanism.

If its a console I prefer getting all the DLC on a disc so I can share it with a friend, and I do that too so its a nice thing.

If its Steam, well then ill wait for a GoTY sale which is pretty often.

All told, I want everyone to do what works for them, but yeah, kind of don't LOVE the DLC hits but find them tolerable.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 03:37am

To me as much as i hate paying for dlc. I'm usually okay with it as long as it doesn't simply "hand you" things. I've always hated the new age of dlc where a dlc simply means "do you want free items instantly given to you with no work?" I like the feel of earning things. Hope the dlc's this time around feature many raid bosses that are extremely challenging.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 03:39am

Sorry can't edit I'd also like to say that. I wish they'd go back to the old version of the word. Expansions. I prefer'd expansions rather then dlc. dlc is usually small and petty for most things. Where as an expansion is usually met with more positive connotation and largely improves and adds to a game you love and is more of a hard thought out effort on the developers part.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/07/2012 at 03:46am

Right. I think the difference is now that DLC isn't something you get a physical copy of. Then again, you don't get a physical copy of a Steam game either...

Well anyways, yeah the term expansion is something id prefer as well. Getting a Neverwinter Nights expansion or something like The Frozen Throne was something more than just 6 hours of new content. It was a pretty long experience.

Axel_Mller wrote on 09/07/2012 at 04:23am

Then again, the expansions pack were a bit more expensive than regular DLC, right?

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 06:47am

Not necessarily. DLC comes out in bunches at 10-20dollars a piece. I too remember neverwinter nights expansion packs and they were about 20-40(40 might even be pushing it they may have never reached that high) but they also had about as much content as 5DLC's and usually more types of content. Neverwinter nights added new character classes, races, a whole new story and new mechanics in each expansion.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 06:51am

I think the physical copy thing is a give and take. I hated not having physical copies at first. I still have my Lunar 2 eternal blue complete collection. (anyone ever remember the complete collection stuff?) Those things come with as much bonus's and extras in real life as they do in the game itself. However, most times now i can't imagine having to leave my home on a release game night to have to go buy it. When on steam you can preload it the day before and be ready to play the second it releases.

Tungsten wrote on 09/07/2012 at 01:30pm

It's called micro transactions. Someone figured out a while back that people will buy more smaller, cheaper chunks than big $40 expansions. Unfortunately this has pushed a lot of developers into the whole 2 NEW GUNS FOR $5.99 OMG thing.
How does this compare to the modding community? Both of Skyrim's DLC's have interested me far less than the free mods offered all around the web. Frankly, I'm surprised that publishers haven't put the kibosh on this sort of thing. I'm telling you right now that I am significantly less likely to purchase DLC because of the availability of these mods.
+1 to Valve for pushing the Steam Workshop. Now if they just backed off a bit on their EULA, we'd all be set.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 06:35pm

TBH thats why im very happy indie games have become a huge hit lately. Hopefully as some of the more popular indie games release this year and next they will show big business that consumers are angry with the large prices being waved at us.

Axel_Mller wrote on 09/07/2012 at 07:13pm

I agree on the Indie games part. But it's a double-edged sword. There is a lot of obnoxious pretentious games getting a ton more attention than they deserve.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 07:15pm

That is pretty true. I think the steam greenlight is evidence of that. Some games are clearly above in quality and effort then others but yet dont have hardly any votes while some that arent nearly as invested in have tons.

Axel_Mller wrote on 09/07/2012 at 07:48pm

I know a lot of people love Braid. But I despise it because of how uninspired the gameplay is. I also dislike John Blow.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/07/2012 at 08:34pm

Hopefully the future will be games with the quality of borderlands 2 with the same amount of passion they put into it without the need for publishers dictating what can and can't be done.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 12:07am

Publishers shouldn't be the reason why a game doesn't get created, so I agree with you Jacob. I also think its a good thing indie games are getting a life now because it lowers the barrier to entry for people that want to make games. If its great, it should be seen.

Then again, some new games are junk so there is that....

Steam Greenlight is cool and from the games that are highly rated they seem to be of pretty good quality too. I think Valve is trying to take the choice for putting games on Steam to the hands of the people and that always seems like a better strategy than a curated garden to me.

Jacob_Richardson wrote on 09/08/2012 at 01:28am

I agree to a certain extent. In a golden world greenlight would be the best thing ever. However theres the matter that some people literally get their joy of life from just being annoying to others. So games get downvoted by sites or groups of people for no reason other then to downvote it. Blockscape was downvoted a lot by minecraft players but what they dont realize is if they really cared about the game theyd want competition in a competitive genre games turn out better. Minecraft really opened up the door to voxel created games and I for one would like to see their idea improved upon.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 09/08/2012 at 06:16pm

Ah, good point I hadn't considered that. Groups trolling other games isn't awesome, I agree and competition in any kind of genre space is great.

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