PC, assuming the beta goes well. If not... well, there's always next year.

No, not a case where it didn't meet my expectations. Since the beta is multiplayer only I won't form reasonable expectations.

My case is whether my PC runs it. If not, I won't be getting it for a while.

So has anyone bought it?

Me neither. I'm waiting for someone to put out a video showing that it can perform reasonably on my card.

Yeah that's the weird thing. My CPU and GPU are worse than yours but I got the multiplayer beta to work passably even without custom graphics options (since those were disabled in the beta). Yours should almost definitely work but you couldn't even get it to launch.

BUT I read about people with beefy Greg-level rigs having those issues, so I doubt it's related to what hardware can run it but some weird software thing.

I read some success stories from people with my video card, so I bought it. I got a boxed copy for that sweet alternate cover.

Buuuuuuut... I can't install it. My PC has been going strong for years now. I upgraded from Windows 7, to 8, 8.1, and now 10 without ever reinstalling, and had no issues whatsoever but it's just totally hosed now. The problem is apparently either a bad SATA cable (I replaced it), a bad SATA port (I tried a different one), a CMOS misconfiguration (I reset it), a failing disk or a disk subsystem issue in Windows that can't easily be fixed without reinstalling. So now we're down to disk or software.

So, I'm currently resetting it (basically wiping it to a fresh copy but keeping all my documents, one of the truly amazing features of 8 and 10). I'm going to be quite upset if this doesn't work and I have to buy a new drive. Well, I can cope with a spare for a while but it's slow.

OK so my PC is back in business and I fired this up.

Modern games really don't benefit that much from resolution changes. It used to be that the best way to get more performance from your game was to lower the resolution. That's not the case anymore. With modern hardware and games, there are advanced settings for various GPU burning features that you can turn off to improve your performance without sacrificing pixels.

However in this case I'm running in 720p just to get an extra couple of frames per second. Lowering the resolution was definitely not what helped the most, but it helped a little. This is the first game on this PC that I've done that for.

Still, even with the dips in quality I have to take to get it to run smoothly, it still looks quite nice. And it feels like Doom. Doom 3 got a lot of criticism for various things. I loved it but I never really thought it felt like Doom. This definitely does.

Maybe I'll have time to play more than one match in the open beta!

So a few matches and...

WTF is this loadout shit? That's my biggest takeaway.

But in general, this feels like CoD or Battlefield multiplayer in the Doom universe. So I guess if you love those games you'll love Doom multiplayer. I'll definitely skip multiplayer.

Yeah I wonder what is causing your crashing. As I mentioned earlier your PC is loads better than mine in every way and I was able to get in and play a match.

I sucked, there are some good players in this beta. But damn, it was pretty. My meager system well below the system requirements listed on the tin was able to play this beautifully with only a little sputtering, which can be fixed with some tweaks.

I'd try it again tomorrow and see if it goes better. Then try verifying Steam's files for the game, I read earlier that some end up missing in some cases. Then try rebooting if that doesn't work, then try erasing your nvidia settings.

This game is one of my most anticipated. It's so ambitious, though. I really hope they pull it off!

A couple things from the article.

“If you were to visit one virtual planet every second,” he says, “then our own sun will have died before you’d have seen them all.”

I hope they make the planets more interesting than Starbound beta did. They were really all very cookie cutter and exploring them wasn't fun. They had limitless planets, which was cool but after a couple it wasn't that interesting. In the end i'd rather a really interesting one shot world like Terraria than infinitely boring ones. Not saying No Mans Sky will make them boring, but it's a potential issue with this sort of thing.

That said, this project is really ambitious. It's like Minecraft universe with way better graphics.

This presents numerous technological challenges, not least of which is how to test a universe of such scale during its development – the team is currently using virtual testers—automated bots that wander around taking screenshots which are then sent back to the team for viewing.

Holy shit. That's a really creative solution to the problem.

Ok so in reading the second article.

No Man’s Sky procedurally generates a galaxy of some 1.8 quintillion planets, and even if the game attracts millions of players who spend months exploring, most of the galaxy—99.9% according to Murray—will never be seen.

Then why make it that big? I mean it's impressive but if no one will see it then why build it?

I've heard that No Man Sky uses a shared planet system, is that true. Where two people could theoretically meet somewhere?

One of the surprising things we saw earlier during the No Man's Sky presentation were intelligent alien NPCs that players can trade with and interact with. The more you encounter these aliens, the more words you learn in their language and the easier it becomes to deal with them.

Holy shit. That's incredible.

If it does a slice my space toast then... Total failure!

I am going to name everything cheerfulghost.com

> I am going to name everything cheerfulghost.com

Get this guy a copy of the game STAT!

Is everyone getting the PC version?

PC version all the way. Glad we'll be able to play with you scrypt, whatever that means. It's still unclear how much playing together we'll actually be able to do.

I am wondering if I should preorder via steam. I am kind of hesitant, just in case this game is a stinker.

It doesn't look like a total stinker. I think at worst it may not just be as fun as it seems, it doesn't look like it would be total trash just not be able to live up to the hype or be merely OK.

Nah I really doubt it'll be a stinker. I guess that depends on your definition of "stinker" though. I'm trying not to get hyped so that a non-amazing game doesn't disappoint me.

Ok, you all twisted my arm and I preordered.

Not sure how far this delay pushes this back but one is coming.

http://kotaku.com/sources-no-mans-sky-delayed-1778797365

Oh snap. Well, I'd prefer they get the game right before releasing. Games that struggle to hit the release date can suffer significantly.

Fair point. It's not a done delay until it is.

Jon will never escape that :D

Listen everyone the truthfulness of the delay aside...

JarJar Binks really *makes* the entires series. Before that it was just stumbling along then it really got OKEE DAY!

Their site still says June 21st, so I am sticking with that. :)

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/05/27/no-mans-sky-coming-to-ps4-in-august/

Agreed. Hopefully the team is doing well. I know how much pressure can get to people when stuff slips the deadline.

He got some Linux in his text there.

Can't wait...

Just watched the new trailer. Drool.

Only a few more days!

You should probably bump the event a bit.

https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/761694858562207744

Looks like August 12 before every version is released.

A subreddit for No Man's Sky? It looks like there's already one.

> can become unmanageable the longer they get

Hit me up with some suggestions for this offline. Even though we can get into the hundreds of comments I don't get(right now) how that's unmanageable.

Does it take too long to load? Can you not understand the context of people commenting? Is it a usability thing? Curious to know more so I can think of a way to fix it.

Thanks!

August 12th??? Nooooo!

I blame sony for PS4 coming out first!

So who got the PS4 version? How is it?

Thanks JaBo! It sounds like just about what I was expecting. Can't wait. AdamPFarnsworth, it sounds like you may never see other players in the game: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/08/no-mans-sky-is-not-a-multiplayer-game-hello-games-founder-says

Scrypt, sounds awesome!

Looks awesome scrypt! I see you scared some poor wildlife. :)

I was just reading the 1.03 patch notes (http://www.no-mans-sky.com/2016/08/update-1-03/) and at the end Sean says, "I grew up reading Carmack’s .plan files for Quake, so it’s fun to be writing one of my own :)". I totally forgot about those .plan file updates. I used to read them too! Good times!

So how does the online work exactly? Is it just seeing where people are in the universe (but apparently not being able to see them even if you're in the same place) and naming planets?

I ask because GOG will have this, which means many people will be pirating it. I just wonder how different the experience will be.

Also I have a download cap and the Olympics are this month so my bandwidth is going nuts. How big is it? It won't be the same for PS4 and PC but it'll be close I imagine.

Looks like it will be release tomorrow at 10am pacific on steam. No preload option.

It sounds like you are still enjoying it JaBo. How much time have you spent with the game?

@Adym with regard to "the next Spore" I'm holding off judgment. I never had any desire, really, to play with people, since they said the chances were minuscule anyway.

But it is weird that a lot of things they said are turning out false.

Ultimately if it's a fun single-player game I'm happy with it, I don't care if I can run into you. It would be neat, but it also wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to code a feature that has a minuscule chance of happening.

Even if it did happen the first day, and I don't know what's up with that.

> But it is weird that a lot of things they said are turning out false.

I'll admit i'm not really following this very well, but beyond multiplayer not working as people expect what else has been false?

"A lot of things they said" was in reference to the multiplayer only, or the multiplayer aspects I guess I should say since it's not exactly multiplayer. I didn't mean that in reference to anything else about the game.

• It's likely nobody will ever run into each other (this has happened: proven once and anecdotally a few other times)


• But if you do, that's the only way to tell what your character looks like, because the characters will see each other (they didn't. They were at the same space station and they couldn't see each other, it wasn't even the same time)


• They've made conflicting claims about whether they think the game is or is not multiplayer

> but some people were looking forward to the infinitesimally small chance of seeing someone.

My thought was that a few people would make it job #1 to find someone else as they said the chances were extremely unlikely. That said, balancing adding a feature statistically no one will use is a thing. I wonder if traditional multiplayer is actually supported or just buggy and wasn't tested well? I think I read somewhere they said it was the latter?

Yeah, it seems like the fact of seeing each other would probably not be a high feature on the list given the small chance of it actually happening. T-minus 40 mins until steam launch.

"Bracing for impact on PC. We'll do our best to keep servers online. Be aware there is a lot of you."

https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/764139431984926720

Hope things go OK. I dislove getting a new game, starting it up and then derping over server issues.

Who's playing on PC today?

jdodson: me! 3 mins until I try to download

Download started. 2.5 GB

Installed. Looks like it may have native steam controller support!

Apparently it works even if the servers are down-- you just won't get to see what people have named planets and such.

Anyone playing on PC, I'm interested in hearing how it works for you. TotalBiscuit, who you'd think would have a beefy PC since he does this for a living, did a Twitch stream where his FPS was so bad it was unplayable. He compared it unfavorably to Arkham Knight at launch.

Apparently you need to upgrade your graphic card drivers. Maybe they messed up and didn't include something to make that all run smoothly.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/275850/#app_reviews_hash

Oh.

"47% of the 11,257 user reviews for this game are positive."

Oh.

"Positive (5,312) Negative (5,945)"

Oh my. Maybe holding off on buying it then?

> Steam reviews are becoming less and less effective for me.

I really only consider them for one thing. Is the game buggy? In this case it seems for some, it is, which is fine because I bet they'll get it all patched up by the time I play it(way later, which is fine I don't buy most games at launch anyway).

Doom had some PC issues and Rage had more and I consider those both good games. Bugs don't mean the end of the world but if you read the Steam comments, yowza. I can see being very disappointed, I totally get that but some people. Wow.

> In this case, I'd take those negative reviews with a grain of salt.

Totally.

The other critique I see is that it isn't living up the hype people built up for it. More than just the multiplayer thing I think people were expecting this game to give them 20 orgasms a minute for months. Whereas I bet with some, that may have happened I don't find that kind of thing sustainable for a game.

That said, the screenshots I've seen have been incredible and the game really looks like a nice walk through space. Which, you know sounds like a great time to me.

It looks like it's about a 50% chance you'll be able to play it. From my reading, it seems the big culprit is that their system requirements don't match the compiled code, and from what I gather from people who seem knowledgeable, they can recompile it with different compatibility and fix a ton of the problems people are facing, but yeah it wasn't quite ready.

I initially got a crash upon launch. Some of the fixes posted got me to the Hello Games logo before it crashed. I've seen others who have similar hardware with the same issues, and others who have similar hardware who are able to run it. Granted, I've only spent a short amount of time with it. I've been out most of the day, got it downloaded earlier and tried to launch recently. Even if those fixes had worked, it's hunting around in config files that people usually shouldn't have to touch.

Steam reviews should always be taken with a grain of salt, but in this case it's more like a giant block of salt.

This is a AAA priced game, which is significant. It's an indie studio playing with the big companies. They should, and that's awesome, but they have to be held to the same standards. This kind of thing just isn't acceptable. Imagine if a game like, well Arkham Knight launched like this. Remember the whole debacle there, where they went so far as to remove the game from Steam? This seems like roughly the same success rate.

I'm sure they'll get the issues fixed, and I look forward to that, but it wasn't ready for release. They should have taken their time and released when it was actually ready. I'm not one of those I'LL NEVER BUY YOUR GAMES AGAIN people, but this is a major mistake.

Oh I meant to mention, basically the same as Jon's reply.

@scrypt: in this case the Steam reviews aren't "this is a terrible game," they're "I can't get this game I paid $60 for to work." That's a significant difference. It may be that many of these people are also right there in that target demographic. They just can't tell yet.

I've been keeping up with it on /r/nomansskythegame too and it appears that even if you CAN launch it, it has many other issues plaguing it. Someone with a GTX 750 may be able to play fine, whereas someone with a 1080 might get 20fps max.

OK Further info on what seems to be plaguing people who can't even launch the game.

SSE 4.1 support.

Intel has had it for longer than AMD so many AMD processors (like mine) aren't working. i3 is listed as the lowest processor that will work. Mine is faster and better, but is missing the SSE 4.1 instruction set.

HOWEVER, apparently some i5s and i7s don't even have SSE 4.1 support depending on when they were made. So their minimum requirements are WAY wrong for Intel, and don't even mention AMD.

Good news is that it's probably an oversight. They obviously targeted the PS4 first and the PC was a port (since some PS4-only libraries are present in the game files on PC, and a few other little quirks). PS4 has the SSE 4.1 instruction set so if we're lucky it's just a compile flag that they have to check to support other processors. If we're unlucky they have specific methods that require SSE 4.1 and they just update their system requirements or release a statement and people who expected to play it won't get to.

Metal Gear Solid: The Phantom Pain had the same problem on launch. BUT they had a fix in place 1 hour after launch.

> HOWEVER, apparently some i5s and i7s don't even have SSE 4.1 support depending on when they were made. So their minimum requirements are WAY wrong for Intel, and don't even mention AMD.

HEY YAY my CPU has SSE 4.1! Easy way to tell is in Steam hit "Help/System Information" and it's listed under "Processor Information."

That hundreds vs. 11 thing is where I was going with the AAA price point. It's not that the game doesn't deserve to be priced there, it's just that if you're paying that much for a game, you expect that level of support.

I'll add that at least some of the bad reviews are from people who don't think they can play because they get to the white screen that just says "E" and nothing else. You have to hold E, not just press it, but there's no indication of that. I seemed to pick up on some confusion on that point in your gameplay video scrypt, but you worked it out. I was thinking "surely he's pressing X but nothing is happening... oh."

Looks like an all nighter tonight!

http://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/7/360672137536640057/

If you have a normal 1080p monitor 1920x1080 would probably look better. 1920x1200 would scrunch things. That said, you may not have a normal monitor.

They haven't patched the issues yet but some people don't have them and it looks like you win the lottery!

I guess I should say, a normal 16x9 monitor.

Ah, then yeah ignore my comment. That isn't an oddball resolution but it's not exactly common, thus my comment.

" I guess their PCs just don't have the tech to handle it"
That's not the case. The GTX750 seems to perform the best on this based on anecdotal polling I've seen. Again I'll reference TotalBiscuit who does this for a living and has a beast rig.

They've found the problems causing the framerate issues (at least most of them, we hope) and are working on them-- so it's definitely a game problem.

I played it for about 3 hours last night, jumping back in soon. My only problem has been my graphics card overheating when I first launched the game (can't really blame the game for that). After restarting a few things, I haven't had any overheating problems.

I am loving this game. I love the exploration part, and identifying new plants, rocks, animals. So much fun. I can see how a lot of people could be disappointed if they were expecting more of an FPS/Space Combat type of game. I was not expecting that at all. This is a take your time and enjoy the sites type of game.

My starting planet was pretty toxic, so I had to manage that resource along with trying to fix my ship. Once I got my ship off planet, I noticed that the next planet was 2 hours Real Time away. Yikes! Luckily I found a way to make that quicker. :) I have been enjoying the fact that there isn't a heavy tutorial at the start of the game. Part of the exploring is figuring out how to do things.

Just read your review Greg: You might want to uncap your FPS even though you'll only get 60 natively. Apparently that slider is inaccurately displaying the values, or is otherwise broken. A ton of people were getting worse framerates and framerate drops when setting it to 60. It would usually hover around 40 with drops to 20. But uncapping it got them a steady 60.

I tell ya, when I can finally play this I'm going to know exactly how to get the best performance! :D

I haven't adjusted my graphics settings. It is running fine and looks good to me at the default settings.

Yes.

Adam what GPU do you have? I'm sure the drivers should be available for Win 10

Ok, which one of you named a star system "FartNugget"? Fess up! :P

Adam, if you have an nvidia the driver is definitely compatible with Wondows 10. Not sure what you're seeing but GeForce experience can do it for you automatically or you can get it from the website.

There's also a beta driver you can seek out that may or may not improve performance

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105037/en-us

That's the Windows 10 driver and I confirmed that it's compatible with the 670. What's your CPU?

OK so further info for AMD users. Before, the game was a 2gb Hello Games logo that crashes after displaying itself. They've fixed the SSE 4.1 support issue in an experimental branch, but for the most part that just makes it a Hello Games logo followed by a No Man's Sky logo that then crashes itself.

Now they're working on SSSE3 support. Yeah it gets confusing. They say the Havok engine requires this, but that doesn't actually seem to be the case.

Communications are kinda limited on exactly what's going on there, but they're working on it.

Yep! And combine that with the fact that I'm using the GOG version, not the Steam version, and I can't even get this experimental branch. I'm just reading a lot about what's happening, hoping that it gets sorted and the patch gets GOG'd soon.

I just found a monolith!

400,000 units? You are rich! I want to see the castle.

Awesome GregoPeck! I did not know that there were castles.

You guys are a bunch of showoffs :D

I'm hoping something gets moving tomorrow.

I am currently back in my original star system exploring a planet there. I have 85% of the planet identified according to the Discover panel.

I bought the GOG version because they have a 30 day return policy if you can't get it to work, and Steam just has a policy that if you haven't played it for over two hours you can get a refund. Since Steam counts a launch/crash as one minute (they just don't count seconds I guess) and I could imagine testing and tweaking to try to get it working quite a bit, I wanted to play it safe.

The issues I'm having are well-documented above. It crashes on launch for about half of the AMD processors people use for gaming these days.

Sean Murray is adding to the controversy a bit. In an interview he said...

"We do want to add a ton of features, like we’ve just discussed: Freighters, bases, these type of things. But we want to do it for free. You’ve paid for the game, so you should get this stuff without paying even more money. So no, there will be no paid DLC, just patches."

Then in a later interview:

"Maybe in the future there’s some reason why we just couldn’t possibly afford to do a certain feature without charging for it"

I certainly get what he's saying, but if you aren't absolutely sure about your intentions, you shouldn't say outright "no paid DLC."

So people are pissed yet again! I imagine he said that while heavily sleep-deprived, and equally hyped because of all the people playing his game and bummed because of the issues they're working on. So it probably wasn't the greatest headspace to do an interview.

And reality around DLC starts to set in. Given the small size of the company, this doesn't surprise me all that much.

So it looks like the patch is up on Steam's experimental branch. Anybody wanna buy me a copy :D Patience, I know but, damn I suck at patience when looking at all these screenshots.

OK so I processed the refund with GOG, bought on Steam. I'm on the experimental branch now.

Not only does this game work. It works perfectly. I've maxed everything and it's buttery smooth.

GLORIOUS!

But also, WTF! I expected to have some hitches since my computer couldn't run it from the start. This just makes the fact that it was broken even more annoying. Some simple testing on AMD would have solved this before it was a problem.

Anyway, I'm a happy camper now

Enjoy Travis!

OK so I'm annoyed with what everyone is annoyed with. You have to hold E to do anything, not-Glados thinks 75% is YOU GONNA DIE... but this is so immersive. I think the lack of narrative may get annoying later but for now I'm in love.

Greg-- only with it. They've fixed the AMD support.

I've been playing with the steam controller and I am loving it. I may need to remap the sprint button though; it is currently mapped to holding down on the left thumb stick as you are using it to run forward.

I got nearly fully aligned with the Gek before leaving my starter planet (panickedworld) but I've barely left that planet. I found a moon (Dat Moon) with a beacon that gave me some coordinates, and quit for the day.

So the Gek are the only other race I've met.

Also as for Thallium 9, I've only gotten that from asteroids, but it seems literally every asteroid is full of it. I've never found it on a planet but I found so much from asteroids I never thought about seeking it out.

Scrypt, yeah the configuration I downloaded for the steam controller makes it so you need to hold the left stick down and forward to run. As soon as you let it up you stop running. Given that the steam controller is 100% configurable, I will probably change this.

Also, cool spreadsheet!

Greg, renaming stuff gets you units... unless renaming auto uploads and that's what I'm seeing.

Yeah I can't tell if you get more for renaming or not.

Cool ship scrypt!

Wow GregoPeck, great tip!

No Man's Sky doesn't support mods, but of course people have modded it already anyway. I'm running one that gets rid of the instagram filters. I don't want to do anything that messes with core gameplay because an update might screw something up, otherwise I'd be using the one that removes the button holding for everything.

All versions have Instagram filters! It's that weird hue over everything. It mutes a lot of the amazing colors.

http://nomansskymods.com/mods/instagram-filter-remover/

Actually I posted the wrong one. This is the one: http://nomansskymods.com/mods/chromatic-aberration-vignetting-scan-lines-removal/

You still get the atmospheric effects without the other stuff.

The chromatic abberation is what gets me. It blurs things and sure, it creates a neat cinematic effect, but it's constant and just annoys me.

If a game has the option to turn it off, I do. One of the first things I did in DOOM. First, I just don't like it on all the time. It's an effect that I think works really well when used sparingly but I hate it when its constant. Second, I've found I get less motion sickness.

I never EVER got motion sickness from games until heavy post-processing became common. I wasn't thinking about that when I started using this mod but I can handle space way better now.

The scanlines are fine, I don't even notice them, but the vignetting I can do without. Not a major thing, it's just obstructing a very small part of the view for a cinematic effect. I just find things like that take me *out* of a game, rather than immerse me even more.

I just wish that all these things had toggles in the settings!

Yeah that's the second auto-reply that seems to be coming to everyone nowadays. I imagine they're up to their eyeballs in issues.

Looks like the "unofficial" patch notes are a ton of stability improvements and bug fixes, mostly for PC but some crash fixes for PS4 as well. Some people on PS4 are crashing every five minutes, some don't crash at all. Seems weird with targeted hardware like that.

I think those might be the experimental patch notes, since it doesn't mention anything about PS4. We know those should be in this patch but there's more as well.

Oh and Greg, what driver are you seeing from Nvidia? The most recent one I see was four days ago: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105851/en-us

I did a lot of commodities trading too. But you don't need to buy starships, you can find them by using the orange beacons that pop up. Can't remember exactly what they're called.

Inventory was getting to me, so I kept doing that until I got a 48 slot. Now I'm using my riches from commodities to pay for suit upgrades (which you can also find with those beacons).

I'm not staying on planets for long, though, unless I really like them. The moon I'm on now is my favorite place yet, but there's only one biome per planet so you've pretty much seen it all in a few minutes. Sean Murray has said that this was intentional, to get people to focus on planet-hopping.

I just realized that you can't rename things you've already renamed. I found this out because I was trying to name this moon "That's No Moon." But instead, I hit enter instead of the apostrophe. So it's now called "That" forever.

No it just says "That" nothing else. I hit enter instead of apostrophe so it accepted what I'd already written, which was just those four letters. I didn't have a chance to proofread

I am trying to be a completionist at this point. I haven't had much time to play in the last couple of days though.

Or "This" or "That other one"

So I think we're all at the point where I can ask: which of the two objectives are you following? I'm going Atlas at the moment. Still haven't even made it to the first Atlas anomaly.

I wouldn't consider exploration a path as such, since it's the "pathless" path, but yeah that makes sense.

I'm still on the experimental branch but for now anyway it's in parity with the main branch. I think experimental was just to iron out the launch kinks. It'll be interesting if they keep it going though for future updates.

Also there is snow. I landed on a snowy planet early on. Not sure about lava but it would be an obvious one. The obsidian and diamonds though seem kinda random to pick to ask about :D But I saw a list of every collectible material and didn't see those two on it.

Oddly, since mine started off this adventure by crashing immediately, I haven't had a single in-game crash. Are you overheating at all?

Heh, your GPU. But that was ambiguous eh?

Last night I found some ruins, got in my first space battle and died once. So much fun!

I am still seeing video/audio drop out on my 780 ti over HDMI. I thought at first it was overheating, but I got a logging program and my GPU temp has maxed out at 76c with fans hitting about 68%. I think there is something else at play here.

Oh Greg-- it seems like the stones teach you a different set of words than the lifeforms themselves can teach. So you still might be able to learn new Korvax words from them.

Yeah you mentioned you learned nothing from the stones, but I've read that the people themselves teach you different ones. Try learning them from the people rather than the stones, you might find more.

How did you get your V2 pass? I've been trying but failing by fixing those production facilities.

This might be a stupid question, and scrypt you might be the best to answer it: How the hell do you actually use the galaxy map? If I'm on the Atlas path or the center of the galaxy path, it's fine. It just marks the path I should take. But if I go into free roam it's just a mess! I'll go to the next system to check it out, but then almost invariably after I check another system over, I can't figure out how to go back a step or two because there are SOOOO many possible hops from one system to the next.

This is basically hypothetical, but say I wanted to get back to a system I loved, how would I manage to find my way back?

Greg: the scan for Discoveries tab CLAIMS to be tab, but it's actually X.

And scrypt, no offense to you at all. You did an amazing job trying to explain a very visual thing. But I'm still not getting it. lol.

I just got another update, and I'd love to know what's in it but patch notes must be in the center of the galaxy.

You don't have to go through that trouble! :)

Thanks Scrypt. I agree that these kinds of discussions can get long. Let me know what you are thinking. To date, one long tower of comments has been good but maybe replay chains might be a good thing to do.

Greg, you can only scan the really super big flying creatures, anything else you pretty much have to shoot down. Even with the long range scanning upgrades it doesn't seem possible.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/no-mans-sky-author-john-scalzis-suicidal-journey-w435240

This is worth a read-- one of the authors used in the death screens tries to find his quote.

That said, Adam seems to have pulled it off :D When I can get close enough, they don't stick around long enough for a scan.

Get right under them and it'll nearly drop on you. That's how I've done it! :D

Tip, use your mining beam instead of the bolt caster. In fact, if you have the railshot adapter, you're basically unstoppable with the mining beam anyway!

scrypt: regarding your PS4 crashes, I've seen discussions online that nearly all of them happen when entering and exiting a menu too fast. Which seems like an odd reason to crash but... maybe that'll help!

Patch notes! http://steamcommunity.com/games/275850/announcements/detail/815536402964769667

With regard to bonuses for placement of tech upgrades, this is apparently the best arrangement of all of them, if you're willing to give up a ton of inventory.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4yxlq1/psa_for_those_of_you_who_were_wondering_how_to/

And on that note, I wish there was a separate area for tech upgrades and storage.

I just got my atlas pass v1 and found a couple crashed ships. So much fun! I have logged about 15 hours of gameplay.

I was like HEY a new Star Wars bundle I should pick that up.

Then I went there and... I already have all of them.

The Dark Forces games are great, especially Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy to a lesser degree. I'm still hoping for Kyle Katarn to show up in the movies.

The Force Unleashed is great. The second one is worth playing but not worth paying full price for-- it takes like 5 hours. But the gameplay in both Force Unleashed games is fun as hell.

Oh also to answer your other question Greg-- we kinda already answered it. The comics that have come out this year are amazing. I've read quite a few of them over the past few days. Haven't read the novels.

Yeah I read that entire thing in the Wal Mart book section. There aren't any super-huge revelations but it's nice to have little tidbits of info.

(and since I read the entire thing while shopping, you can tell it's pretty short)

I finished all the comics today. The Darth Vader series, which leads into Vader Down (a story that takes place in the Vader comics and the main Star Wars series) is some of the best Star Wars I've ever experienced and some of the best comics I've ever read.

To elaborate a little on that. It shows Vader in a different light without retconning anything in the original trilogy or the prequels, while at the same time strengthening both sides of the character. I came away from the Vader comics with a new appreciation for Anakin AND Darth Vader.

So when is this ep going to get posted?

Comics: All of them that are canon. Those are the only ones I've read, and they're all good. Especially the main series Star Wars, and Darth Vader (which converge in Vader Down) and the miniseries Shattered Empire.

Oh snap this event exists. Just saw it!

West-coasters: Use a VPN to the east coast and you can start playing in an hour. Or use a VPN to somewhere that's already tomorrow, and play it now!