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I Figured Out Why They Call It Hearthstone

Blizzard has a *lock* on Grinder games. To whit: Diablo and WoW. Diablo is a complex loot-aggregation simulator, and you know you've gathered enough loot when you can survive the next level of the dungeon, and you know you've won when there are no more levels to go. Of WoW, it's said that the game doesn't even *begin* until you've maxed out your level, and the whole way up is one epic grind.

Enter Hearthstone. The game itself is not super interesting - it's simpler than Pokemon, and not in an awesome way. There is some strategy involved, but I've not found any of the matches to reward too much thinking. This is another grinding game from Blizzard, which by itself is... Read All Blizzard has a *lock* on Grinder games. To whit: Diablo and WoW. Diablo is a complex loot-aggregation simulator, and you know you've gathered enough loot when you can survive the next level of the dungeon, and you know you've won when there are no more levels to go. Of WoW, it's said that the game doesn't even *begin* until you've maxed out your level, and the whole way up is one epic grind.

Enter Hearthstone. The game itself is not super interesting - it's simpler than Pokemon, and not in an awesome way. There is some strategy involved, but I've not found any of the matches to reward too much thinking. This is another grinding game from Blizzard, which by itself is not a complaint. I've played grinders before. Sometimes they're entertaining. Other times, they're Hearthstone.

So, heres how the grind works in Hearthstone: you play against other opponents to earn gold. You use gold to either buy packs of cards, or to buy entrance to the Arena. It's important to note that you *cannot* use your own cards in the Arena; you are drafting a new deck from random cards every time. So you can either spend your gold getting cards, or using a whole mode of gameplay that is otherwise inaccessible and which also rewards you with new cards; it's not exactly a tough decision.

While you're doing all this, your selected "hero" is gaining levels that don't matter in the Arena and which barely matter outside of it. You're also earning a rank as an online player which helps match you up to other opponents, so grinding for gold always stays about the same level of difficulty no matter what you do.

To recap: your online matches get you gold for access to the Arena, but don't change anything therein. The Arena lets you win cards for your non-arena deck, but which don't actually make it easier to grind for gold - it just changes the caliber of player you're matched against. Nothing you do in any part of the game helps you anywhere else. It's a perfect symmetry of pointlessness.

So, why did they call it Hearthstone? Simple: in WoW, you grind your way to the top-level raids; in Diablo, you grind your way to the bottom of the dungeon. In Hearthstone, no matter how much you grind, you will find yourself dumped right back to where you started - which is exactly what a Hearthstone does.

Travis Admin wrote on 02/08/2014 at 01:44pm

I enjoyed Hearthstone for about two hours. I used to be quite the MtG fan but never cared for the video games for some reason. It seemed something was lost when moving it to digital. But MtG is a very strategy-heavy game. When Hearthstone came out I was hoping for a balance of strategy that would work well as a digital card game.

Unfortunately I didn't find that. It's like you said, simpler than Pokemon. Every match is basically the same, and while there's a little strategy, it's not enough to keep things interesting.

I at least hope it's a good intro to trading card games for those who haven't played them.

jdodson Admin wrote on 02/08/2014 at 10:00pm

Sounds like you guys are not huge fans of Hearthstone :D

I think the game is fun, but then again I haven't played it a ton myself. I like the quick pace of the games and think it's a strength of the game. Keeping things simple means the game is a bit more accessible and ... quicker. The free to play aspect means anyone can play it, which is nice in a way but, like you mention makes it grindy.

Travis Admin wrote on 02/08/2014 at 11:20pm

You're right in all cases @jdodson. It is fun, it's fast, it's easy to pick up and play, it's accessible, but then it never goes anywhere. It's a game that I can imagine picking up and playing a few rounds every few months, kinda like I do with Super Meat Boy (but for entirely different reasons). I was just hoping Hearthstone would give me a new Blizzard obsession. I wanted it to be MtG good.

jdodson Admin wrote on 02/08/2014 at 11:26pm

Fair enough. I guess it hasn't been compelling enough for me to pick back up either BUT it is installed and I might play it again in the future but it's less compelling than a FTL or heading back to FEZ again.

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Funniest video game moments

Please make sure your speakers aren't turned way up when you watch the embedded video.

I was recently reminded of the legendary Laddergoat video and have been going through youtube trying to find more hilarious videos I might have missed.

Many hilarious videos come out of streaming and Lets Plays. Sometimes intentional, sometimes a bug or an unexpected event will bring the hilarity.

For those who haven't seen it, this video is a recorded stream of one of the guys at Dopelives playing Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood. He sees a goat, and the goat does something unexpected. It's funny, but the streamer's reaction is the best part. Such an infectious laugh.

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CapnCurry Supporter wrote on 02/08/2014 at 09:33am

I wish I had a video of this, but alas, this was a long time ago. My friend Harry was introducing me to Halo - he was a veteran, but it was the first time I'd held an Xbox controller. Most notably, I wasn't used to the analog triggers.

Over the course of the game, I performed some *spectacular* failures. I found a way to lose the tank on the Rolling Thunder level, forcing us to take a long jog to our next objective. I could empty a clip at an enemy at point blank and hit nothing but Harry, but somehow I was a damn prodigy at driving the warthog. I could weave that jeep through impossibly tight spaces and park it on some asshole's head like it was no big deal. Of course, that led to me wanting to hold on to the warthog, so I tried to fit it through the door of a building. I wedged it in there so hard that we didn't think we'd make it to the next level, but we did something clever with mounting, dismounting, and grenades that somehow wound up doing the trick.

I also pioneered combat ballet. I'd hear an enemy, and I'd turn around and start firing my machine gun. Thing is, I had a tendency to pull the stick toward me as I turned, and the look sensitivity was set too high for me. From Harry's perspective, I'd get startled and react by doing a few tight pirouettes and shooting the shit out of the ceiling.

But my two favorite moments are the reasons I forever after had to take point in all of our co-op sessions. The first was when Harry was ahead of me, and starting to climb down a ladder. He commented that it was dark and he couldn't be sure there were no enemies. So, I walked up right behind him and turned on my flashlight. Or would have, if I hadn't mixed up my "flashlight" and "melee attack" buttons. You might already know that a melee attack from behind is an instakill. Harry chose to interpret this exchange as "Hey, it's kinda dark in this hole," "THEN IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO MURDER YOU AND HIDE YOUR BODY".

The second was when we were creeping along a hall, wary of enemies. We were moving slow, things were tense, and I didn't realize that I was holding my controller a little too tightly. Without a positive "click" to inform me I'd hit a button, my left trigger finger slowly crossed the shear line and tiny fluctuations in my grip shuttled it back and forth before I realized what was happening. My Master Chief *spazzed* out, and I twitched all four of my sticky plasma grenades right into the back of Harry's head. Harry said "Shit! I hear a plasma grenade!" I was staring, dumbfounded, at what I had done, and couldn't find the words to explain to him that the action had already been resolved. After a spectacular explosion that flung him clear down the hall, and left me battered but still alive, he looked at me and asked "What the hell just happened?"

I said, "The good news is, it's all over, and it can't happen anymore. The bad news is that I'm out of plasma grenades."

Travis Admin Post Author wrote on 02/08/2014 at 01:51pm

Oh, Capn, I'm sitting in the office reading this right next to the bedroom where my wife is still sound asleep. It's been a while that I've had to struggle this hard not to laugh. I, too, wish you had video of this.

Timogorgon Member wrote on 02/09/2014 at 10:29pm

Oh man, can we start a new feature on the site called "Story time with CapnCurry?" Seriously, that was hilarious. I also have my new favorite out of context quote ever: "... we did something clever with mounting, dismounting, and grenades that somehow wound up doing the trick."

There are a ton of interesting/weird things you can do in that rolling thunder stage, like getting the Warthog into place it's not suppose to be or getting access to a banshee and skipping half the stage. One time we got the Warthog inside one of the buildings where the hallways were so narrow that the enemies had no where to run and we just ran them all over on our way through. I really miss the days of indestructible vehicles. With clever use of rockets and grenades you could really do some interesting things with the vehicles.

Travis Admin Post Author wrote on 02/09/2014 at 10:37pm

Yeah with this story and the tale of Gonzo the Norn, I think regular stories from the Cap'n are in order. :)

CapnCurry Supporter wrote on 02/13/2014 at 10:05am

Ooh, I'll have to go and refresh my memory - I've got a yarn or two about Halo 2 multiplayer, at least, and I might be able to dust off some old Twisted Metal II tales for good measure. :D

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The Future of Chucklefish and Starbound

Like many Starbound players, I have been curious how the game will evolve during the beta. Recently Tiy posted a pretty large update post describing what we can all expect. I found a few bits noteworthy, such as how progression will be handled:

"As it stands, almost the entirety of the progression in Starbound is temporary. Built quickly to enable some basic gameplay during beta.

The final game will be structured differently.

The current 10 tiers of gameplay will all play out on the same Starmap, with each tier introducing hazards that can only be overcome by progressing through the previous tier and completing a mission at the end of each tier.

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Alive and Kicking: Portal Recreation In Portal 2 Greenlit

"Portal: Alive & Kicking is a full remake and re-imagining of Valve's hit experimental title - Portal. Using the visual capabilities of Portal 2, A&K will shove you back into the cold test chambers of Aperture Science to retell the original story of Chell and GLaDOS. The best part? It's FREE."

After playing the fan recreation of Half-life using the Half-life 2 engine and seeing how awesome that was, I am very hopeful for this recreation of Portal. Portal was an awesome game i'd love to see live on in a more modern engine.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=218303815

A.N.N.E. Update: SNES Controllers, Options & PAX Giveaway

A.N.N.E. is an upcoming 2D retro platformer that was successfully Kickstarted and is in heavy development. Mo, the creator of A.N.N.E. has been releasing development updates on YouTube and this latest one covers the shipping of the Super Nintendo USB controller to Kickstarter backers as well as enhancements for your ship. The ability to add "options" to your ship will be familiar to fans of Gradius as they seem heavily influenced by the aforementioned game.

If you are interested in checking out PAX East and don't yet have badges, Mo is running a contest so check out the video for more information.

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My New Minecraft Home on a Floating Island

For a few days or more now, I've been wanting to play Minecraft again. I don't know what held me back. When I first started playing it around Thanksgiving I was home alone with the pets as the rest of the family was in Kentucky with family. I lost track of time in those days. There might have been two days where I stayed up all night and didn't go to bed, something I hadn't done in a long time.

Apparently, I last played it a little more than a month ago and probably not for very long. One thing I found out was how to back up and restore my world. This became something I made into a habit as I really hate dying in the game and also when Creepers blow my stuff up.... Read All For a few days or more now, I've been wanting to play Minecraft again. I don't know what held me back. When I first started playing it around Thanksgiving I was home alone with the pets as the rest of the family was in Kentucky with family. I lost track of time in those days. There might have been two days where I stayed up all night and didn't go to bed, something I hadn't done in a long time.

Apparently, I last played it a little more than a month ago and probably not for very long. One thing I found out was how to back up and restore my world. This became something I made into a habit as I really hate dying in the game and also when Creepers blow my stuff up. Usually if I die I just quit the game and restore from my back up. I also try to make a back up when I've done something significant, like finishing a house.

The world I last created at the end of November put me into a jungle, which is exactly what I was looking for in the previous world, but couldn't seem to locate. I wanted a Jungle because I wanted a cat. Cats supposedly help keep the Creepers away, although one caught up to me as I was leading my new cat to our new home. Usually, I burrow into the side of a hill for a while, planting my base there and mining a nearby cavern or the one I've made into a base. I've found a few caverns, which I've noted coordinates in a Notepad file. I found this to be helpful as well.

Well, I noticed a floating island near where I was last mining and although I thought I'd make a tree house, I decided to move to that island. It's not very big, but big enough for a big house. I used dirt to create a path to get up there and then I leveled it out so that I could build my house. There isn't much room left on that island, which I think will help keep the Creepers away. Yet, some how a Skeleton spawned in my house, so I threw up more torches. I think I did see a Creeper up there, but killed it before it could blow up. Later, I went back and filled in the sides to my path up to the house, so that I wouldn't accidentally fall off the sides (I did that a couple of times).

I do enjoy Minecraft. It took a long time for me to play it. My son has obsessed over it and often watches videos of Minecraft people have posted on YouTube. It really is a good game and I love the music! The thing I hate most about the game is the Creeper. That enemy alone makes me not want to play it. I hate when a Creeper surprises me by coming up to me (out of sight) and blowing up and destroying whatever I'm near. It's really annoying. That's one advantage I found in living underground, but still my wheat farms outside were vulnerable (and blown up at times).

Minecraft is a "sandbox" game, but I'm in it more for the adventure. I like finding caverns and exploring them. I love finding diamonds even more! Sadly, I don't ever find enough of them. I have made a diamond breastplate, I think it might be enchanted. Now when I try to repair it, the game tells me it's "too expensive," so I've kept it in a chest. I also have a very nicely enchanted sword (I'm not sure what it's made of), which seems to get more expensive with each time I repair it. The last time I tried, I didn't have enough XP to repair it.

I'm surprised that it's been so long since there's been an update to this game. It's kind of sad because I've thought of lots of things that could be added (like snakes). I've even seen videos that had birds in there, but haven't seen any in the game.

Anyway, I don't really have a point to this post. I just felt like writing about my most recent Minecraft experience. I still want to keep playing. There's a cavern near my new home that I want to explore. The ocelot I found was very easy to tame, it only took 1 salmon. It turned into an orange cat, which I've had a few before. I might try to tame more ocelots, I definitely need as much protection from annoying creepers as I can get.

....*hiss*.......*BOOM!*

Final Fantasy VI Fast Facts & Lore

To keep with the hype train around Square releasing Final Fantasy VI on mobile, you should checkout the fast facts video above and the Final Fantasy VI Lore video. They both contain some really interesting information about the game and are pretty short to boot.

Final Fantasy VI Lore in a Minute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zCXZ4O8PS8

Final Fantasy VI Comes To iOS and Android

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One of the greatest Final Fantasy games has finally come to the iOS and Android platforms. For $15.99 you can head back to the World of Balance and Ruin and join up with the Returners to take down Emporer Gestahl and the Empire. For me the Final Fantasy series didn't get much better than VI and I can't wait to pick it up but I might wait till the prices comes down a bit, $16 for a phone game is a bit much.

That said, it seems like Square has revamped some of the graphics and gameplay to make it a bit more mobile friendly. I still prefer the big chunky pixel graphics, but this update doesn't seem to take it too far away from the beauty of the original.

Timogorgon Member wrote on 02/07/2014 at 02:15am

Cool! This is one of my favorite games of all time and... wait... a... minute! WHAT DID THEY DO TO THE GRAPHICS!? BLLLLllaaaARRRGGGG rage rage nerd smash! Why Square, why!?

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/07/2014 at 04:48am

Yeah. I imagine it's so people don't look at the old amazing pixel art and get turned off. I mean, I don't mind the old graphics, in fact, I prefer them to this but... It sort of makes sense as to why they would.

Good thing we will always have the original :D

shockwave wrote on 02/07/2014 at 05:27am

I prefer the old pixel art, but I do like the new portraits. I'm also glad they put some work into it instead of just emulating the original version. this game is one of my favorites as well so i'll be picking it up when it goes on sale.

vdogmr25 wrote on 02/07/2014 at 08:10pm

I'm more likely to get it for PS3. This is one of those games I would sit down and play for a while, and I rather have that with a big screen and nice speakers, even if it's kind of outdated in those regards. Also, my phone is mostly for games that are pick up stuff that I can play on my commute. It's 5 bucks cheaper on PSN too.

CapnCurry Supporter wrote on 02/08/2014 at 07:52am

The pixel art / "improved" art thing has always bugged me about the Final Fantasy series. In a lot of ways, I feel like I was playing a different game from what they published, and the graphics used to let me do that. I played the FF6 reboot on PS(2?), and not only was it a bad port job, but what I saw had a very different feel from what I wanted. It's like, in my mind, Kefka was the Joker from the original Batman TV series - insane in a way you could laugh with if he weren't trying to end the world. But in the remake he was much more clearly presented, and it seems that Square thinks of him as the Joker from the Dark Knight reboot.

I'll probably get the iPhone version, though. FF6 has a lot of meaning to me, and I don't think I'd be able to skip this without at least digging into it a bit.

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Cheerful Ghost Roundtable S2 E2: FTL - Faster Than Light

In this episode of the Cheerful Ghost Roundtable we talk about the amazing indie rogue-like FTL! During this season we will be doing entire episodes about certain video games we love and we decided to kick this off with style!

Show Notes & Seek Times:

What We are Playing & Drinking

0:29m CapnCurry: Skyrim

1:43m WhiteboySlim: GTA V Online & Starbound

2:56m Travis: GTA V Online & FTL

3:34m jdodson: BioShock Infinite Burial at Sea Part 1, Pokemon Blue & Starbound

FTL: Faster Than Light

7:24m - What is FTL?

9:20m - What our win counts are? What game stats do we have?

15:45m - What ships have we unlocked and what do we have yet to get?

19:15m - What are... Read All

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/06/2014 at 04:41am

No wonder I saw that Travis and Tim were playing hours ago!

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/06/2014 at 04:50am

Capn, tell me about your upgraded gaming rig. Mine is quite old, I've been told I should upgrade since I can now afford to. I looked into some components and got a bit overwhelmed.

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/06/2014 at 05:35am

Travis, what is the DRM-free version? Does that mean it's free? Hearing you guys talk about the game makes me want to play it.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/06/2014 at 06:23am

DRM free means it doesn't require Steam or some external server to authenticate to to run it. You can get a DRM free version by purchasing it through the FTL website using the Humble Widget which will also net you a Steam copy. That said, the Steam copy does sync your ships and stats so if you reformat, some if your progress is saved.

Also love to hear about CapnCurrys new rig!

CapnCurry Supporter wrote on 02/06/2014 at 06:37am

My gaming rig is actually a Macbook Pro, dual-booting into Windows. The good news is that it's a perfectly respectable gaming machine in a laptop form factor. The bad news is that the price tag on the sucker is probably in the neighborhood of $3,000 - I say "probably," because it was bought and provided to me by the company I work for.

If you have three grand to drop on a gaming rig, you can certainly find a better one than a Macbook pro. For what it's worth, though, this is the base model: http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=ME294LL/A&step=config

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/06/2014 at 06:48am

Ah right, dual booting into Windows on the Mac w bootcamp. I install games on my Macboock direct but I bet installing Win 7 native on the Mac would get a bit more oomph from the hardware.

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/06/2014 at 07:17am

I have plenty to drop on a gaming rig, but I'm not one to buy a computer, I prefer to build them. I have no desire for a Mac or laptop. I have nothing against Apple, really, but I'm predominately a Windows user and have barely used anything Apple at all.

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/06/2014 at 07:18am

Oh, Jon, when you talked about the FTL score, it reminded me of how I feel about the Minecraft music. It is wonderful and music that I would enjoy listening to if I was programming.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/06/2014 at 04:15pm

I should do a few posts about some of my fav. game scores. Hmmm. Yeah.

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 02/06/2014 at 07:19pm

I listened whilst working, so I might have missed part of the conversation about this, but what are any of your thoughts as far as types of Sectors to go to (Civilian vs Rebel) and inside the sectors, do you avoid any types of stops(I personally hate the nebulas)?

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/06/2014 at 07:33pm

I usually go to Civilian but thats a bit safer and you won't get certain ship events or other cool stuff.

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 02/07/2014 at 01:06am

My stats: 18 hours (probably around 12 hours in Normal, until talking to Jon and finding out that it's socially acceptable to play in Easy). No Federation kills, yet.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/07/2014 at 02:03am

I think one thing everyone can take away from the roundtable is that we all think it's ok to play on easy :D

Timogorgon Member wrote on 02/07/2014 at 02:37am

There is no shame in playing on Easy, especially in this game.

I don't like the sectors that are entirely nebulae (I had to look up the plural of nebula...) but when there is a nebula in an otherwise normal sector I always head for them to slow down the rebels and give myself more time in a sector.

Otherwise I kinda go where ever. A couple of the ships can only be unlocked from events that take place in hostile sectors though, so keep that in mind.

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 02/07/2014 at 04:35am

And even though everyone said not to... I tried the spider event, and lost a crew member. At least it was early on in the game :)

CapnCurry Supporter wrote on 02/08/2014 at 07:56am

The spider event has become one of those things where logically, I know it's not "supposed" to be any worse than anything else, but when I lose a crew member I always feel like I should have known better. I know I've had positive outcomes with it but I can't even remember what the reward is for it.

Hey, are they taking requests for the expansion? If I had an option to fire a torpedo and nuke the spiders from orbit, I'd probably take it regardless of what the loot odds looked like. :)

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/08/2014 at 04:48pm

"Nuke planet from orbit" :D

We need to be sure..

AdamPFarnsworth wrote on 02/10/2014 at 05:13am

About 28 hours in, and I recorded my first win! Some significant stats: 229 piloted evasions(human) and 9 kills(mantis, when I got a teleporter for fun, I still don't have the mantis ship).

I'm finding as I'm playing that instead of maxing out my shields, I'm using three shields and increasing my engines until I'm around 50% evasion. That plus the timing the cloak for when they shoot really helps.

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/17/2014 at 07:37am

This whole conversation is making think of getting FTL. I'd prefer to play a free demo (before buying so that I can be sure I want the game), but there doesn't seem to be one.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/17/2014 at 03:45pm

Yeah, playing a demo is good for sure. But FTL might be a "blind buy" and it makes more sense when it's on scale, which is often. Oh wait, I have a copy of it for you Greg, if you want it. Left over from a bundle. FEZ too. You can have both if your interested.

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/18/2014 at 01:40am

Oh! That's awesome! I'm not sure about Fez, but sure I'll take FTL. Are we friends on Steam? Nope, what a shame. Well send me a friend request. http://steamcommunity.com/id/gawoodruff

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/18/2014 at 02:11am

I could give you some $ for it, but I've already given you $ (Cheerful Ghost official paid member here). Hahahahahaha! Travis hooked me up with Terraria.

jdodson Admin Post Author wrote on 02/18/2014 at 03:08am

Nah it's fine, consider it a gift :D

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/18/2014 at 04:59am

You guys are awesome! I'm glad I was able to donate to the site, I felt like it was totally worth it and I'm glad that I was able to help keep the site alive.

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/22/2014 at 11:12pm

Awesome, I'm glad I came back to this discussion now that I've been playing. Adym, you've said what Tim said in my discussion, pretty much, about raising the evade %. That's something I'm going to work on.

At first, I was avoiding the nebulae, I'm working on getting out of that habit. However, I don't like them because I often find that some of my systems are disabled and I have to re-route power to be able to jump. I usually try Civilian sectors, but sometimes also go for Engi or Rock. I sometimes choose the Pirate sectors to, especially as opposed to Rebel.

Azurephile Super Member wrote on 02/23/2014 at 12:22am

Here are my stats: http://i.imgur.com/b9u0eOn.jpg

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Humble Sid Meier Bundle

"The Humble Sid Meier Bundle features an enormous selection of quality strategy games by Sid Meier, legendary designer of the Civilization game series. Pay what you want for Sid Meier's Civilization III Complete, Sid Meier's Civilization IV: The Complete Edition, Sid Meier's Ace Patrol, Sid Meier's Ace Patrol: Pacific Skies and Sid Meier's Railroads!. Pay more than the average price and you'll also receive Sid Meier's Civilization V and Sid Meier's Civilization V: Gods and Kings DLC. We'll also include Sid Meier's Civilization V: Brave New World DLC with all purchases of $15 or more."

The Humble Sid Meier Bundle is one of those bundles that is pretty incredible. For... Read All