I played it quite a bit at launch and then checked it out one or two times after that. It always got better but it didn't seem to hit the level of greatness I expected it to. Since then lots has happened to the base game and I am really looking forward to checking it out and seeing how the base game works with the new story mode and quests.

Wow. It's launching today. I hope it's really fun.

I was expecting one more push of one big one and two small ones like we have been getting.

OK so after this comparison, I'm OK with it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/4rkocf/fallout_4s_story_dlc_vs_fallout_3s_and_new_vegass/

Fallout 4's content is already more plentiful than Fallout 3's, and nearly on par with New Vegas, in terms of hours of fun to be had. If Nuka World is anywhere near the size of Far Harbor, it will totally blow it out of the park.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/4rkocf/fallout_4s_story_dlc_vs_fallout_3s_and_new_vegass/

Also Greg-- Skyrim really didn't. Dragonborn was large, but not as large as Far Harbor, and Dawnguard was fairly short. Hearthfire was basically just building a house.

As for Oblivion, Shivering Isles was the big one, and Far Harbor is about on par with it. Knights of the Nine was interesting, but didn't add any new areas, just quests in the already present areas. The others were either horse armor (heh) or a single quest that opened up a new area for your home base.

So it seems Fallout 4 will definitely end up with the biggest amount of content in terms of hours spent and world size added on, BUT the question is still whether it's $50 worth. And now after reading that comparison, it may be.

Also I meant to add-- "Fallout 3 and New Vegas got more major DLC packs"

Those games didn't have ANY expansion-size packs like Far Harbor. They were all about 5 hours worth of content.

I haven't played all the content yet, we're still missing two that have yet to release (Vault-Tec and Nuka World) which are the two I've looked forward to the most aside from Far Harbor, and I haven't messed with Contraptions yet. So half of them are still a mystery.

Also: It's not $60, it's $50, which isn't that much less but at least it's less.

I'll just say I'm not sure. At least not yet. I think Far Harbor is easily worth $25 on its own. The more-than-20 hours I spent on it were probably my favorite hours spent with the game. I keep comparing it to Shivering Isles, because it really feels like that (it's huge-- about the same size-- and more fun than the base game, like SI), and SI was $30 at launch. Automatron was really fun, definitely worth at least $5 (to bring the running total up to $30), and it's $10 outside the season pass. So if their initial idea for the season pass was just those two and Wasteland Workshop, I'd say those three were worth that price.

The bump to $50 came with new content, which it now seems was the second set of three and, unfortunately, no more after that. So, if those three feel like they're worth $20 I think it'll be worth it, ultimately.

So yeah, I think I've talked myself out of my initial displeasure, but the new DLC is still an unknown at this point. It may be a turd.

But hours per dollar isn't the ultimate judge of what makes something good. 200 hours of clicking a single button would suck. But for games like this, you expect the gameplay to be similar enough that you can use that as a major factor. When comparing it to older games in the series, you have the new areas and quests, and the new areas and quests in Far Harbor essentially equal that of all of Fallout 3's new areas and quests.

Still, the way the initial announcement was worded, it really seemed as though there would be more content coming throughout the year. I'm not saying it was dishonest, but it may have been unintentionally misleading.

Yeah for someone who isn't putting in the time for it, it's definitely not worth it. It seems like you might not get to the DLC until it's already dropped in price, as your love for the game was never as high as mine, and your schedule, now more than ever, doesn't allow for intense gaming sessions.

It may have been just a matter of timing. I'd fall out of love (heh, FALL OUT GEDDIT) with it too if I couldn't dedicate time to it. I have trouble going back into it after not playing for a while.

That's awesome. Dorkly makes some really cool videos.

Yeah, up until loot 2.0 and Reaper of Souls on PC I thought the console game was __WAY__ better but then the PC got most of the updates exception the dodge roll. That said, the console port is pretty darn good and the ability to couch co-op is pretty awesome.

Carmack Tweeted that he worked on the new Doom's snapmap as his last project at iD before he left. Hasn't talked about the game after that that I know of.

> It's also worth noting that, like Skyrim, if you own these on PC already you'll get the remaster for free.

So since I already own BioShock, Infinite and all the DLC i'll get this for free? If so, sounds good to me! I'd like the extra behind the scenes content!

scrypt: They used hyperbole for sure. My thinking as to why is because hyperbole can often get attention and start a discussion, where something more reasoned may not. It's not my style most of the time, but I can see it's use from time to time.

Once the video was going, did you find the arguments to contain the same kind of hyperbolic themes? It seemed they chilled some, but often the arguments seemed somewhat simple.

> Having said all that, I really do wish Jamin well with his next project, whatever that may be. He has a unique voice, and at the very least I'll be interested to see where he goes from here.

Yep, me too. And it was a PBS project so I wonder if we will see more gaming content from them?

Yeah, I need to get one of those battery powered sensor bars.

> I think these kinds of factoring are generally flawed, but the fact remains that they had product stolen and resold without seeing fruits of that.

Yeah, that's a good point.

> Added to that, grey markets aren't illegal or immoral. Associating the problems in G2A's system with grey market activity is confusing the issue.

Yeah, that makes sense. This article has been through a couple revisions and what it landed on maybe is a bit odd in that way. I do think that G2A and sites like it can potentially serve a legitimate use, for instance a developer could sell the game there if they wanted. That said, that's a far reach from what I am talking about in this article and I used the term Grey market to sort of cover a legit usecase for these sites even though the main use of them isn't.

In the end I think G2A and sites like it should operate more like a pawn shop and require ID up front and maybe do a bit more to make sure things are on the up and up if you are selling more than a handful of keys.

> I find it interesting that you both use the British "grey" instead of the American "gray"